Anew government

it can happen, for those that dont know he can switch from independent to labour at any time and im not sure it incurs a local election for his area or not but he can switch any party at any time. then it can be this way.... but he will not do that, his views dont allign with labour, if anything hes more suited to the workers party of britain with his anti-nato pro-russia views... the public wont allow him to take us out of nato, it will leave us open to a direct invasion or nuclear bombing by russia without any defence or retribution. wed be humiliated if corbyn takes us out of nato like he wants to.

do you know kiers labour party have promised to push disabled people into work and stated that if you can work you must work and under no circumstances should anyone be allowed to live on welfare?

you all called kier a red tory a while ago... you will be calling him that again very shortly when you realise the policies you just voted for under him.

'30 thoughts on the general election'

open.substack.com/.../30-thoughts-on-the-general-election

Yet if history is any guide at all, somehow they will manage it... 

No it isn't correct use of the terminolgy, I googled the word fascists. 

Labelling an entire group of people fascists because of the actions or speech of ONE PERSON is like discriminating against a certain group becise of ONE bad interaction with one member. 

A bit simplistic- no offense. The new government is made up of people. I know this, from personal experience.

Just people, from different backgrounds, with different views. It can be that simple. 

He is, of course, a self-identified Fascist. 

Rude names? Not at all, simply the correct terminology for the various views and beliefs held by the fans of farage. 

As recently as Thursday, I witnessed one of them asking in all seriousness, why we couldn't just shoot immigrants, as suggested by another Reform supporter in a recent documentary. 

I do not and cannot endorse hatred  or oppression in any form. 

The GE is done, and I.hope for better because I must. That's all.

It bears repeating; "It doesn't matter who you vote for, the government always gets back in"...

I strongly suspect they lost this election deliberately,  leaving such a mess that they will be back in 5 years time stronger than ever.

I'm happy that a self serving, intellectually and morally bankrupt, Tory party is out of power . I detest their  uncivilised attitude towards the disabled and vulnerable. Their crass worship of those lucky enough to  have done well in the genetic lottery of life while demonising those who have been less fortunate.

TheCatWoman said:

what did for Gordon Brown and the state of economy was the financial crisis that started in America and spread around the world

The lack of bank and lending organisation regulation was ultimately behind this - lack of oversight from the government made this a whole lot worse.

Then there was his selling off of half the countries gold reserves at the lowest price in 20 years - very shady.

And backing Tony Blairs lies about the war against Iraq leading to massive costs and loads of lost lives.

A hell of a lot of what Debbie lists as the achievements are very hard to quantify as the statistics created by the civil service are lacking in context and are, well open to interpritation. As the old saying goes, there are lies, damn lies and statistics.

There is no doubt that Labout presided over a very successful period in our countries history, but they also presided over an unprecedented crash in 2008.

The Conservatives also presided over a preriod or prosperity early in their terms but it was destroyed by a bunch of poor leaders and a financial ciris (covid), much like when Labour changed to Gordon Brown.

My conclusion is that the parties are not inherently good or bad, but mostly preside over a period of good financial climate with a capable leader followed by less competent leaders and hard times.

The pattern seems to repeat

It will be interesting how well Keir does when the financial outlook remains so difficult thanks to global conditions, immigration and Russia all pressing on the economy.

I disagree that Labour will always raise taxes and bankrupt the country, what did for Gordon Brown and the state of economy was the financial crisis that started in America and spread around the world. I remember other world leaders coming to Brown for advice on how to fix things.

Obviously covid and the war in Ukraine were things beyond anyones control and have left us in a financial mess, we will need to pay tax in order to pay back the money used to for furlough and to cushion energy prices.

i don't want a small state and low tax, I want a state that looks after its people, for to long we've been led to believe we can have champagne services on a beer budget and the state of things now is the result.

I would hate to see Reform becoming a bigger force in politics, they're racist, homophobic and misogynistic. They would really like to do away with the NHS altogether and would probably do away with all sort of public services. How do you think it would effect people like us, who use public services probably more than others?

Corbyn isn't in the labour party and I doubt if they'd let him back in anyway, let alone be leader/PM, he had his chance and lost it. No doubt Starmer will facce challenges with his back benchers, it's how he deals with those challenges that will make or break his leadership, but as he's only been in the job 24 hours I think it's a bit premature to be writing him off already.

Like many other countries around the world we have an aging population, we need a level of immigration to fill the jobs we have, where would the care sector be without migrants, or the NHS? We also need to train and retrain our own people and not allow companies to just bring in more people to fill roles at lower wages. All that does is suppress wage growth and increase the tax avoiding global corporate entities avenues for exploitation. Japan has an aging population, a stagnant economy, low migration and elderly people dying and not being found for days or weeks, is that what we want for ourselves?

The new government will have to try very, very hard to equal the old in squalid sex scandals, lying, jobbery, corruption, stupidity and shambolic ineptitude.

Capitalism red in tooth and claw, and the Devil take the hindmost. A society where the wealthy do not support the destitute or the ill, or the disabled, because they are not forced to do so by government, is not a society I would care to be a part of. I am happy to pay the taxes that support others less fortunate than me, the same cannot be said for many tax-dodging international conglomerates or for many millionaires and billionaires.

I don't know if he can replace Starmer though. Corbyn is an independent now. In order to be the leader of Labour doesn't one need to be a Labour MP? 

Unless they accept him back into the party. 

What Corbyn says still stands true. The distribution of wealth needs to occur to fund society. Otherwise we won't grow. 

Nicely put Pegg, I echo the sentiment.

Ben

I predict a vote of no confidence in Keith Starmer within a few months and Jeremy Corbyn replacing him as a true socialist prime minister. 

My problem with Reform's good stuff like the NHS things, is that it is just bribery to get people on board with the immigrants stuff too. It's not in their 'principles' like points out. I honestly don't think they give a crap about the NHS and say stuff like that purely to win votes. (I realise that you can apply this to all parties, but with Reform it is just so obvious and cringe and soul destroying)

yes but will he cut taxes that is the best way to stimulate growth remember other than Blair Labours DNA is to tax and spend which does not work