Anew government

There is absolutely nothing personal in what I said, no one on the forum has said that they have voted for Reform, so,  logically, I cannot have aimed my comments at any particular person. I see standing up against any political party or movement that is fundamentally inimical to autistics and other neurodivergent people as an imperative for me, especially here. Hans Asperger allowed 'less useful autistics' to be sent to places where he knew, or could reasonably have suspected, they would be murdered. That type of horror should not be allowed to happen again. Even small stands against that way of thinking are worthwhile.

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Number said:

although it did cost LITERALLY ALL the gold that Britain ever held.

Nope. 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48177767

401 tonnes of gold - out of its 715-tonne holding

Number said:

so it did not seem unreasonable to mention just one single 'thing' that impacted debt in that same period?.......namely;

Between 1999 and 2002, 395 tons of UK gold (which I have always thought of as the piggy-bank of the UK) were sold by the UK.for $275 per ounce.  Gold is now worth $2,380 per ounce.

I think that what you say here is incorrect.

GB didn't sell to pay for those items in my list but for various other reasons.

So, the gold sale wasn't the cost of what I listed (as you say above)  irrespective of the fact that some of those changes didn't have a cost attached but were just ethical/principle based.

A very bad decision on his part, no doubt, with hindsight, but you will see from the BBC article:

Despite these headline numbers, at the time it seemed perfectly sensible to many at the Treasury.

As a not inconsequential aside, the monies raised would have earned considerable compound interest in the interim.

See also this article from 2011 in the FT:

https://www.ft.com/content/5788dbac-7680-11e0-b05b-00144feabdc0

I was a child during the winter of discontent and whilst it was sort of fun sitting by candle light and playing board games with my parents of an evening, I was aware of how hard it was for others. We were lucky in that we had a gas fire and cooker so we could have hot food and stay warm, but many others were not so lucky.

I have no interest in applauding, defending, nor attacking, a political party.

I definitely DON'T understand political tribalism and flag waving.......especially considering the magnitude of the prima facie reality that has been allowed to develop within the UK today, as I perceive it;

1...The current UK debt is £2,700,000,000,000. (more commonly presented in the more gentle form "trillion")

2...The current UK working-age adults number at 38,000,000 (38 million), [albeit 20% of these do not work.]

3...Each person of working age in the UK today, carries a proportion of that debt amounting to  £71,000 each.

This hasn't happened overnight, nor under any particular political party.  However, you had decided to list 50 'positive' things about a particular period in UK history.....so it did not seem unreasonable to mention just one single 'thing' that impacted debt in that same period?.......namely;

Between 1999 and 2002, 395 tons of UK gold (which I have always thought of as the piggy-bank of the UK) were sold by the UK.for $275 per ounce.  Gold is now worth $2,380 per ounce.

Anyhow.....that's me wrung-out in this thread.

We fully depleted our bronze, iron, copper & finally steel reserves first. That's why the closed corvus steel a few years back, we'd exported any surplus we might have had in the late nineties. Apparenlty the germans liked our scrap steel particualarly engines...

Britain has been sytematically stripped of all it's means of production and resources and also it's "intellectual capital" quietly during the period of my adult life, in a weird procss that until recenlty I thought I was the only person who was observing it and wondering "How did this happen, and why is no-one else acknowledging it?"

I rather hope I am suffeirng from some sort of mental illness and that the world doesn't really work the way it appears to me... Particularly where the fate of my country is concerned.

Number said:

Yep....I agree....although it did cost LITERALLY ALL the gold that Britain ever held.  We have none now.  We DESPERATELY need some now.  There is, LITERALLY no money in Britain now.  We're in trouble.....but NOBODY speaks of it.

Did the Tories not spend any then?

Yep....I agree....although it did cost LITERALLY ALL the gold that Britain ever held.  We have none now.  We DESPERATELY need some now.  There is, LITERALLY no money in Britain now.  We're in trouble.....but NOBODY speaks of it.

Partisan politics is dumb.

That’s a pretty good list!

Totally agree with this Firemonkey. 
I’m feeling cautiously optimistic that we’ll see some improvements - and I hope it’s enough to keep the Tories in the wilderness for at least 10 years.

I remember the winter of discontent too. I was living with my father, when not in one of the psych wards of our local hospital.I was cocooned from the effects of it  due to my father  being reasonably well off. He was a Foreign  office inspector. He was the equivalent of an army brigadier.

Agree.

Dear all I am now going too leave this discussion as I feel we are getting very deep into Politics and Religion which is a very private and personal matter and forgetting that we are on here to support each other with how society is treating Neurodivergent People .

I wish you all well and thanks

I don't see how thats going to be as Starmer has openly said that he supports a free Palestinian state and that what Israel is doing is wrong. Don't forget there are lots of Israeli's that want to two state solution and lots of Muslims who don't have a problem with Jews.

I agree that is why I want as much money as possible to go to the less well off and why I want a low tax economy it works and the less well of have a better standard of living.

I just have to say as far as Patrick Vallance goes he was Mr Lockdown that helped wreck the economy there was a better scientist who Sunetra Gupta who explained with pandemics that you have to get herd immunity.No one listened to her modelling or the economic effect so Professor valance does not fill me with hope James Timpson yes.Also although it can seem unfair and I can get upset we all have to accept in life some people are richer than us are better at sport etc.In fact when I look at the rich I would not want t be them

That would be good you have cheered me up now

It's an open secret that Starmer is pro jewish because his wife is jewish.  This will lead to an internal civil war in the Labour Party with its Labour muslim MPs and a return to a Conservative government. 

Being old enough to remember the Winter of Discontent and all the other problems caused by overmight unions, I dreaded the idea of a Corbyn government or more precisely one where the likes of John MacDonald pulling the strings. Some of what Corbyn wanted was great, but the way he wanted to go about it wasn't. I remember seeing MacDonald telling some interviewer that the elderly didn't need to worry about housing anymore as jeremy would build them a house! I thought what, with his own bare hands?

There's a grimness to their sort of socialism that I really don't like, having been involved in it and around it for much of my youth, I became very disillussioned with it and it all started to become more and more like Monty Pythons 3 Yorkshiremen sketch. The worse thing was the feeling that they were serious about wanting bleakness. I also think that they would of rolled back on womens rights in favour of "the working man", that's also something I remember from those years, the way that they wanted women to remain as housewives, how they didn't want women in their unions.

I agree with firemonkey about the antisemitism, Corbyn has never accepted it as an issue in the Labour party. The odd thing is that the antisemitic arguements I've heard from the left are the same ones that I've heard from the right.

I'm politically homeless, I don't support any party, in fact I think that parties are part of the problem with politics, which takes precedence, the constituents or the party?

Starmer seems to have the ground running from what I was reading earlier, he's met the leaders of the devolved nations because he wants to work more constructively with them, Lammy's been doing similar in Europe and the Defence minister has been in Ukraine reassuring them of our continued support. I hope he keeps on in this way and sort out some other problems as quickly.

I notice he seems to be reaching outside of the normal political networks and putting people with real experience into roles where they've been working privately, like Lord Timpson, who's been working with offenders, training them and giving them jobs in his shoe repair business for years.  Sir Patrick Valence as Science Minister, also seems a good appointment, actually having two people in cabinet that actually know something about thier brief and how it works in the real world is quite revolutionary on government terms. Usually people with experience outside of parliament are kept away from the roles where they have prior knowlege, so as not to upset any apple carts, no wonder government dosen't work!

I think it depends on which supermarket really, whether you shop at at Lidl or M&S, we might all pay the same prices on paper, but what we can afford to spend our money on is another matter. If all you can afford is cheap rubbish, then you will have an overweight and unhealthy population and a healthy diet becomes the preserve of the better off. It's not only about what food you can afford, but what food you can afford to cook with fuel prices being so high.

Oh no please no Jeremy Corbyn has some unpleasant views and is a Marxist perhaps a vote of no confidence and we get Tom tugenhadt

Agree however Labour are as bad they do not like success and my local council which is definately socialist has been very intolerant to my Autism.I find socialism has been intolerant to my Autism and my sisters OCD .We have experienced really stupid comments when we applied for a blue badge for instance under hidden disabilities a word I hate and they were awful.

So what I am saying is left and right there are bad apples I have tried to be less triple now and would like a parliament of talent not of the parties