Are we happy with the general election result?

True but I think they have been replaced with an even more intellectually bankrupt Labour Party

H did what he had to do to move Labour away from being an ideology obsessed perpetual protest party. Is he perfect? No. I have doubts re Labour's welfare policy. Whilst I have doubts I'm glad that an intellectually and morally bankrupt Tory party is no longer in power.

I think the greatest trick the Labour Party has propagated throughout history is that it cares for the working class and disadvantaged. At least the Tories are honest about the fact they don't care about us. Labour pretend they do and then don't do any different from the Tories 

I would never vote Tory, but my biggest doubt re Labour was fuelled by their failure to show concern for the disabled and vulnerable. I told myself it was purely tactical, that things would change if elected. It's early days yet, but the signs aren't exactly encouraging. 

Many of those who dislike Starmer, and did all they could to torpedo Labour's chances-because  he was deemed  not pro working class enough - are comfortably off pseudo-socialists.

I wish I could be as optimistic as you. I hope you are right, although I don't agree with their energy policies among other things. 
Something needs to be done about the water companies though, the state of our beautiful rivers is a disgrace

There are far fewer "career politicians" in the Labour Party than in the Tories, and from what I've seen this week alone, they are very much in touch with the concerns of the people. Nationalising the railways, water Co's on notice, Rwanda scrapped, wind farms legalised, coal mine scrapped, a commission set up to recover our COVID money, doing a deal with the junior Dr's and showing teachers respect. It's all bloody brilliant. 

Very soon, Labour will find themselves out of their depth given the scale of problems in the U.K. and the strong possibility of serious social unrest in the U.K. taking into account other problems outside of the U.K. - they will find themselves in a position where they will have no other option but to hand over all power to a provisional milltary government which will involve a national state of emergency, police state, martial law and curfews - the timescale for this is roughly 12-18 months from now, unless something really significant happens at the last moment behind the scenes to avert this from happening 

Very true. Ed Davey's video about being a carer was really moving, he seems like someone who genuinely cares. 

Surprisingly, the only party that talked about supporting people with SEN was Reform. They spoke about getting SEN kids more help in school and reducing the waiting lists for assesments and ECHPS, which is very different from the media portrayal of them. Be interesting to see if they meant it 

What makes you say that? 

Yes, absolutely. They are genuine public servants, in politics for the right reasons. I've been impressed with what I've seen so far. 

No because they don’t care about the disabled at least Lib Dem’s do!

ahh i bet alot of you who know me assume id be mad about it, im not, i could see labour would win so accepted it before as the reality. no need to reject reality.

but i dont see much change... as corbyn himself said the labour manifesto was tiny and it mostly mirrored the tory one offering little difference. one of the only differences that i liked was the nationalised energy company they plan to make, which im holding my hopes out for that it lowers energy costs and forces the private companies to lower theirs to compete.

all the rest of the policies are just the same as tory policies other than that.... aside from the destroying green belt protection laws in order to spam more housing estates.... that is one i personally dont like... and lefties once would have hated that too, i guess im more traditional left that modern day lefties are lol

Pegg said:

maybe best to.judge on what he does as PM. That's how you'll know whether he keeps his promises or not I guess.

Very true

That's more the media than the man in my experience.

But anyway, maybe best to.judge on what he does as PM. That's how you'll know whether he keeps his promises or not I guess.

No not really but I suppose anything is better than Tory. Even labour. I’d rather vote for none of them. 

Indeed, most of the modern Labour party are middle class, career politicians, completely out of touch with the concerns and values of working class people. Its a world away from the miners and workers like Kier Hardie who actually started the Labour Party. 

Hmm, I respect your opinion but I disagree that Starmer is a man of integrity. Throughout his career he seems to have constantly changed his mind and opinions to reflect what is most likely to win him votes and power. It's difficult to know what he actually believes

Yes. 

Most of them are just ordinary folk who have gone into politics to make a difference. A world away from the last lot and their excessive privilege. 

The PM is a man of integrity, who will do.his best. 

That's all. 

Billy87 said:

Just wondered if people on here are happy or unhappy at the general election result last week?

My rather jaded view is that it is just a different bunch of incompetent clowns in power now but with the same sloth like civil service behind them keeping things together.

Im my opinion any career politicians should be treated with extreme distrust. Their whole life is about getting into power and implies a strong egotistical bent.

Time and again modern politics shows that power corrupts and these politicians are scrambling at the feeding dish now.

The policies now are not unlike the conservative party with their policies of 20 years ago in many areas as Labour now are nothing like their original "party of the workers". To me this reflects how they are shifting their focus in order to get into power rather than to reflect the modern needs of the working class people.

They would have a hard time to be worse than the conservative party of late so this has been a positive change.

The shift in voting showed that only 2% more voters went for Labour this time compared the the last election so it is more a condemnation of the conservatives that gave them power with 34% of the vote. They reflect barely a third of voters you hold a supermajority in power - a pretty damning reflection of how flawed out electorial process is.

Next election will probably end up in a coalition government if history has taught us anything - the government have inherited a terrible economic situation (shared by most of Europe and western world so not all blame is on the previous bunch) and chances are people will not feel the positive effects within 4 years.

If the conservatives make some sort of purge and comeback and tie up with the likes of the Lib Dems then there will be a good opposition next time round. Not that I expect them to be worth a damn, but the electorate have short memories.

Here endeth todays cynicism from me.