Published on 12, July, 2020
Just wondered if people on here are happy or unhappy at the general election result last week? I stayed up most of the night to watch the results come in.
It would be wonderful if we could have a calm, logical, reasoned political discussion on here that doesn't result in anger, name calling and the mods locking the thread
Come on guys lets prove we can do it!
No because they don’t care about the disabled at least Lib Dem’s do!
I would never vote Tory, but my biggest doubt re Labour was fuelled by their failure to show concern for the disabled and vulnerable. I told myself it was purely tactical, that things would change if elected. It's early days yet, but the signs aren't exactly encouraging.
I'm worried that they haven't thrown away the proposed changes to PIP. Switching to a voucher scheme and paying things back if you have a receipt sounds like an awful system. People voted for change. Not for Labour to carry on with Tory policies
The Labour party as it is now is a mix mainly,not exclusively, of the socially liberal-economically centrist middle class, and a more socially conservative but economically left wing working class. Increasingly over the years the former have dominated Labour's political direction of travel. It's not so much that they don't care about the working class, it's more that they're out of tune with what working class Labour supporters want. Under PR I think that sooner or later they'd go their separate ways.
IrishInManchesterUK said:we had a Catholic Parish Priest in Ireland who was always banging on about how bad and evil socialists, Marxists, leftists and communists are and how it was a mortal sin for any Catholic to vote for left-wing parties
That does not surprise me, with the notable exception of some Latin American and African priests, the Roman Catholic clergy have always been on the side of the rich and powerful. In the Spanish Civil War the clergy rallied behind the Fascist Falange Party, led by Franco, in its rebellion against the democratically elected Leftist Spanish government. Priests hurled hatred against the “Reds” from their pulpits, blessed the troops and flags before battle and adopted the fascist salute. In Ireland, the bishops abused their political influence for many decades after independence to stifle progressive social, educational and economic development. Only in the 1960's did their stultifying grip on power start to wane.
This sounds like an extreme position to me. Blair moved Labour towards the centre ground and embraced soft capitalism, that's true. But it was still a progressive party that gave ua the Human Rights Act and lifted 2 million people out of poverty. I'd rather a centre left party in power than an ideologically pure socialist party in opposition. So do the people of the UK, witness the last three GEs.
Labour here in the U.K. have betrayed and decieved working class people for decades, as all leftists and socialists do - and this deception is because they really support the establishment and the globalists, coming from a position of privilege - when I was growing up, we had a Catholic Parish Priest in Ireland who was always banging on about how bad and evil socialists, Marxists, leftists and communists are and how it was a mortal sin for any Catholic to vote for left-wing parties
I think the greatest trick the Labour Party has propagated throughout history is that it cares for the working class and disadvantaged. At least the Tories are honest about the fact they don't care about us. Labour pretend they do and then don't do any different from the Tories