ASD And the Paronormal. DO you believe UFO'S are real ? Serious Question.

I've disproven your statement clearly and admitted that if there is something which we do not know about yet then it does not mean it does not exist.

I keep an open mind but only accept things with proof. Do you have any proof that would stand up to being peer reviewed by the scientific community?

Iain said:

Of course there could be a top secret lab developing tech from aliens

You've critiqued your own post and validated nothing.

NAS88612 said:

With the exception of simple mechanical devices, most technological investions are far too complicated for humans to create.

I assume you have never gone to university.

I have first hand experience of working on research of the early stages of superconducting materials which would fall into the "too complicated  for humans to create" category and all the science behind it is straightforward, provable and well within the capabilities of an intelligent, educated person to comprehend.

Even the workings of a silicon chip which seems incredibly advanced was built up from simple concepts and the technology to manufacture it refined and improved time and again. It is part of the sillabus at most universities for most science courses and I'm sure there are millions of people with the knowledge to do this and much more besides, so to say it is beyond us is insulting.

I'm afraid I have to call bulldroppings on your statement. I've been at the cutting edge of research and there are no aliens helping us develop some quite advanced technology - we are capable of doing this all by ourselves.

Of course there could be a top secret lab developing tech from aliens, but without proof of this (not rumours, speculation or blurry photos / shaky videos) then it is all hearsay.  It makes for good computer games / films but I suspect that is about it.

To be honest the experience was so unusual that I have remembered every bit of it clearly since it happened, so no, seeing the video didn't jog any forgotten memories. The whole thing lasted no more than about 30 seconds from first seeing this vivid white triangle in a completely clear blue sky to the point where it faded away completely. One thing I will say, on viewing the video for a second time I think I'd say that the object I saw was not quite as bright and shiny. It was very stark and obvious (initially) against the blue background but not in a glowing way. More like how you would see a high flying commercial airliner, except obviously the wrong shape entirely. I would be perfectly willing to recall my sighting in a polygraph test, and would definitely pass as telling the truth as opposed to telling a blatant lie. As for imagination, no way. It was there for sure, whatever it was. We do have a few air bases nearby, and if someone told me it was the RAF or USAF testing a new piece of military tech then I could accept that if shown an example. I'm not looking for confirmation that it was an alien craft, I'd just love to know what it really was.

Extraterrestrial life exists. I'm not sure how it gets to earth. Evidence of ET's is real in the form of the technology we use. Most human technology is reverse-engineered ET technology. With the exception of simple mechanical devices, most technological investions are far too complicated for humans to create. Even the processes with which to facilitate them.

I don't know if I've missed the point because I often do.

This is a doctor in immunology and cancer research commenting on alien technology. If I hadn't seen the introduction I might say he was repeating things which were already "out there" on this subject. But like I say, I could have missed the point.

I think it's unlikely that there isn't life out in space

COME ON! Is the US congress convening over Nothing???

www.youtube.com/watch

Taking this piece of video in isolation, three things scream at me;

1.  There are a lot of empty chairs

2.  WTAF is that wink and grin at 9 mins 28 seconds?

3.  Why do people need to be 100% certain about everything these days?

I do hope that you know / can tell from my earlier responses in this thread, that I rule nothing in and nothing out at this stage, dear 86592.  My 3 observations above are about this video - not the subject matter - and defo not any reflection on you.  I welcome all evidence that people wish to bring to the table.

Scientists and highly educated people are taking this serious ---why shouldn't we?

www.youtube.com/watch

For amusement...

www.bitchute.com/.../

Wise.

I wish I was. I could use the money for my own private science project...

The one thing that is GREAT about amateur science is that it is actually DOABLE, and you do get to discover stuff for real, if you are any good.

The downside is that no one will believe or collaborate with you when you do get interesting results. and if you get REALLY interesting results, like I've had with some "fringe" experiments and observations, you can end up doubting your own sanity.

I like to take long breaks and immerse myself in mundanity to stop myself from getting "lost in the woods" so to speak.

I was very strongly motivated to find out the truth of the matter for a few decades, as figuring it out would have apparently solved many of my own most pressing problems.

YOU don't need to pay rent or a lot of other bills if your house can hover above the ground...

It's also quite hard to burgle too. And travel is a lot less inconvenient if you can bring everything you own with you. I came to understand how a staple of physics belief "the strong nuclear force" could be made to be more strong in a particular direction, by imposing ephemeral but carefully structured changes in the local environment possibly using a variety of methods. BUT I still after twenty plus years of intermittent effort do not have the whole set of jigsaw pieces I believe and I've certainly not yet got the picture put together. But I'm circling round the problem, getting as many perspectives as I can, making observations, and linking disparate pieces, when I can.

If I can live long enough and maintain my interest for how ever long it takes, I'll crack the problem, and go live in a few containers welded together, hover over wherever the hell I want to (within obvious limitations), take what I need when I get there, leave my rubbish behind, and float on to the next place...  

Some say it has already been done...

Dude - were you one of the writers on the plot of the new Gal Gadot film for Netflix?  A heightened version of the apparatus you describe is called "The Heart" in the film.

Before I answer your question, I'd like to ask did watching the video remind you of anything that you had forgotten about your experience?

We simply do not know whether that video is real or faked, unfortunately at this time.

I am working hard on a system of critical thinking that will allow anyone to measure and quantify the "veracity" of a given piece of information. There are fundamentals about the difference between reality and imagination (Used in this case as a polite word for "lies") that can be leveraged to make such an "apparatus".

Effectively, I believe that the correct algorithm used in conjunction with an internet connected A.I. will allow us to determine reality from myth with a great degree of reliability (previously unattainable, with reliability and speed) I know it can be done, but the explanation would fill a page.

I'll take P.M.'s if anyone wants to help...

Now, HOW can anyone argue with that?

You have presented the reality beautifully, in my opinion.

Bravo.

I can answer your last question. Try using that go pro to take photos of aeroplanes in flight, then get back to me. Supplementally, try taking zoomed photo's of the police helicopters hovering at any distance at all greater than about 500 feet and see how much sharpness and detail you can get.

Statstically speaking, most UFO footage will be shot on mobile phones by excited amateurs with little formal photography traiining. I'm trained, have decent gear with mechanical/optical stabilisation but still I have very few decent "bird in flight" or "aeroplanes in flight" pictures.  

When you talk of the fakery (I'll give all the "ufo's are real" people an example of fakery that will have fooled some of them a bit later) discredtting all pictures, you are taking a "throwing the baby out with the bathwater" approach I feel.

You are TAKING A STAND on an issue that has not actually been decided, which is a common trait of the over educated and insufficiently suspicious people* who seem to make up the majority and includes some ufo believers as well. 

I don't care either way which side of the argument prevails, I just enjoy examining the evidence when it turns up. 

If you do an internet search for images of TR3B eventually you'll find a really nice pic of some wreckage being hauled out of the sea with what is clearly some weird and wonderful drive technology in the middle. 

Except it isn't. Anyone who's taken a clutch apart will recognise what it is. BUT a LOT of people believe they are looking at a TR3B in that pic and not something like a busted F14 "tomcat"  with a clutch release mechanism carefully superimposed on it's underside... 

As TT Brown's Daughter told me some years ago, looking for the truth in these matters is like "sifting the fly *** from pepper"...

Speaking as an Autist (although I didn't know it back then) I saw it as a challenge... My interest always being limited to "what makes them move like that" with a view to "doing it myself" as soon as I figure the mechanism out.

*That description of people who are quite different from me, is not meant as a criticism of such people, per se,  but as an illustration of how they appear from a different perspective, such as the one I hold. 

I Sperg said:

now that everyone has a camera phone, the hoped for evidence has not appeared, but UFO images ARE getting better

Another arguement is now that everyone has a powerful PC and access to CGI software on the internet that the quality of fake videos is also improving.

Take some CGI added to a background in a video and make it super shaky so it is really hard to prove it is CGI and you have the quality of the majority of videos out there.

It may be intentional but the volume of faked videos has permanently damaged any credibility of potentially authentic videos.

I have a GoPro that cost only a few hundred quid and can take great quality, stable videos when riding a motorbike offroad so why on earth are so many "proof" videos looking like they were taken by someone with Parkinsons disease?

I note that in the case of poltergeists and other apparitions now that everyone has a camera phone, the hoped for evidence has not appeared, but UFO images ARE getting better. 

One ray of hope as far as aliens are concerned is that as my own thinking as advanced with age, I've got LESS inclined to take other peoples stuff, or mess with them for my own purposes.