ASD And the Paronormal. DO you believe UFO'S are real ? Serious Question.

NAS86592 said:

Unless some people have been living in a cave I don't understand how the UFO/UAP phenomenon can be ignored or at worst denied.

It is being ignored by the vast majority of the population because:

1 - it is not relevant to their day to day life.

2 - the number of tin foil hat wearing loons shouting about UFOs (a small but vocal minority of believers) cast a shadow over the credibility of the genre which turns people away from it.

3 - In spite of 5 decades of attempts to prove their existance, the evidence is overwhelmingly poor quality or lacking in credibility.

4 - the lack of engagement of official bodies on the phenomenon (until recently and even then it is only tentative.

The scientific community need proof and that has not been forthcoming.

Over time more and more sightings have been proven to be other things which further weakens the case - are they all just unidentified because we don't understand the phenomenon behind them?

With conclusive proof then things will change - probably in a catostrophically bad way for mankind as the reliance on solving our own problems will probably be dropped in the hope the outsiders will solve everything for us, plus the jostling to get business deals, scams around getting access to the aliens and their tech, countries jostling for "favoured alies" status etc.

I fully expect things to get massively worse for a while even if the aliens were benevolant, and if they are malicious then we have little chance against them with tech as advanced as theirs.

So with all that in mind, I don't give it any more thought as we are screwed either way IF they even exist.

Oh my days! That white triangle about 5:50 into the video looks exactly the same as what I saw. I can't believe it. Is that video for real or faked? The only difference is that mine didn't shift sideways at high speed. It just kept rising into a clear blue sky until it slowly faded away. It looked almost as if it was camouflaging itself to the surrounding sky; either that or it was very very high and passing upwards into the edge of space, but neither of those ideas seem credible to me. Then again, not much about what I saw seems credible to be honest.

Thanks for posting that clip I Sperg. Brought it all back so vividly.

Hi I Sperg. I didn't take your statement as scoffing at all, in fact I actually thought you were supporting my sighting with a theory of your own. Also, you're absolutely right to question the validity of my testimony, as all good scientists should. I have zero evidence beyond my own description which is obviously frustrating when I know I saw something extremely enigmatic but can't prove it.

There's very little wrong with your written communication; I think anything written is open to interpretation. As a writer I feel the need to check, double check, and triple check everything I write, then end up waffling on in the hope that I'm making myself clear. I love that your honest enough to admit that there are times when you set out to upset people intentionally, but glad you don't feel the need to often. Sometimes it just has to be done.

No offence taken friend.

What do you make of this then?

www.youtube.com/watch

I do agree that Wiki is reliable at delivering an answer......if it is 'an' answer that you seek.

Personally, in the absence of 'the' answer, (as is most definitely the case with the CE,) I endeavour to remain open minded to 'all' possible answers that are posited.

Moreover, even when there is no mystery to solve, some people are driven to challenge the orthodoxy.  I like the fact that this is the case and I will defend the right and the sanity of those who chose to do so.  I am very at home amongst people who hold different perceptions of how things are.

Gobleki Tepi is, to me, the finest exemplar of how foolish the "well this definitely didn't occur back then" folk can appear.  1994 was a VERY good year for me and my kind.  I remain open and respectful.

Number said:

.....and then there is the Cambrian Explosion to explain Iain!

I lack much first hand experience of what happened almost 540 million years ago in spite of being an old fart.

This is the point in time when multi cellular organisms evolved into more complex life forms:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambrian_explosion

I note that this also co-incided with the availability of oxygen which was generated by simple organisms that were thriving at the time.

Occams razor would indicate this to be significant rather than some scheme involving aliens seeding primitive life forms (at that time incredibly simple forms of life) in a masterplan to grow into humans 540 million years later.

I would say that there's bound to be other life out there. Trillions of planets across the universe, we can't be the only ones.. we aren't that special  

.....and then there is the Cambrian Explosion to explain Iain!  Are you aware of any simple ideas to accommodate that moment?

Sorry to maintain the drizzle!

Earth was sterile at creation so SOMETHING had to have been introduced to kick-start even basic bacteria.

That is a false assumption I'm afraid.

If you follow that logic then where did the bacteria come from, who created the creators etc.

It is pretty straightforward to create basic life forms:

https://www.newscientist.com/question/how-did-life-begin/

Miller mixed four simple chemicals in glass tubes, which were heated and shocked with electrical sparks to mimic lightning. The experiment made several amino acids, the building blocks of proteins. The Miller-Urey experiment showed that the chemicals of life could form naturally.

Given a few billion years of random combinations of many different chemicals, electricity and environments it seems almost ineviatble that life would form on its own without the need to some outside agency seeding it artificially.

Evolution takes care of the rest of development to multi celled organisms and over billions of years the massively complex creatures that roam the earth now.

All the above is recreatable and/or observable so there is absolutely no reason why we should think of outside agencies being involved. I mean, if these aliens existed, who created them.

Sorry to rain on your parade.

I'm actually with you and Mr Leepard on this, believe it or not.

I was not actually "scoffing" merely trying to show the difficulty that is faced in providing evidence of such a fleeting phenomena such as UFO observations. 

I would not have invested some twenty plus years in trying (semi-successfully) to figure out (or even learn) how the drive system could possibly work, if I didn't...

I think I am particularly bad at written and other forms of communication, to be honest, this isn't the first time I've upset someone needlessly over genuine misunderstanding on this forum. It's time to take my own advice, re-read the portion of the book I always like to push, and STOP being involved in misunderstandings. I'd rather only upset people when I actually mean to, (which isn't very often TBF) so I clearly have more to learn in that area. Sorry guys.

That's a good Analogy.

Does make you wonder doesn't it. I love the bit at the end of the first 'Men in Black' movie where the universe is contained within a marble in a game being played by an alien being. I think it's in our nature to always wonder about our place and purpose in the bigger picture. Who is to say that the wackiest theory isn't the correct one?

Fair comment twitch.
It sure is still a heck of a mystery though.
Look at how our bodies work.
Look how they repair themselves.
Look how they protect us, immune system etc.
It is like we were made in a lab.
Anyway, i still believe believe a higher intelligence stuck us on Earth as an experiment.
Just my opinion.
The Human body is such an amazing Machine that i find it hard to believe it occured naturally.
It is TOO clever.
I honestly believe we were " placed " here"

Crystals, anyone?

Ref.: .wikipedia.org/wiki/Luis_Elizondo, https://www.nsa.gov/Helpful-Links/NSA-FOIA/Frequently-Requested-Information/UFO-and-Other-Paranormal-Information/,  

I could expand this list with scientific supporters of UFO's but realize how futile an exercise this will be against all nay sayers on this phenominal topic.

I'm totally open to the asteroid seeding concept, but some would argue that it was a chemical reaction that happened in the primordial soup millions of years ago. The fact is we don't really know what 'life' is. What exactly is that 'spark' that is the difference between life and death?

If it did not exist anywhere else then how could our Earth have been " seeded " to start with ?
Earth was sterile at creation so SOMETHING had to have been introduced to kick-start even basic bacteria.
And that is AFTER the dinosaurs died out 65 million years ago.
The numbers are mind boggling.

Def Leepard I am soooo happy to know your view on UFO's which I share 100%. This topic as with Bigfoot, the strange events on both Skinwalker and Blind Frog Ranches, the 10 year quest for treasure on Oak Island I have followed all closely for some time. I am adamant there is great truth's out there humanity does not have the slightest understanding of. Irrefutable proof  of OFO's is being kept secret (ref. Bob Lazar). 

Unless some people have been living in a cave I don't understand how the UFO/UAP phenomenon can be ignored or at worst denied.

Ref.: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/05/10/how-the-pentagon-started-taking-ufos-seriously                                                         https://www.npr.org/2021/06/04/1003262749/how-ufo-sightings-went-from-conspiracy-theory-to-a-serious-government-inquiry               https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/us-government-expands-ufo-investigations-new-group-forms-pilots- spot- rcna87127                                                                                                                                                                                                    www.nasa.gov/.../                                           abcnews.go.com/.../story                                                                                                              https://www.nsa.gov/Helpful-Links/NSA-FOIA/Frequently-Requested-Information/UFO-and-Other-Paranormal-Information/                   etc.,etc. etc.

But there are species of plant and animal that exist only in one single location on Earth because it's the only environment that suits their needs. Scale that up and the same could be said of the universe. Life evolved on Earth because it's in a 'Goldilocks' zone. What if that zone doesn't exist anywhere else?

All i can say is that YOU and ME are proof of life in the universe. Here we are !