maybe one explanation for autistic people being gaslighted by neurotypicals

 McFrost When i questioned my ex Mother In Law's version of events she threatened me with her 'wrath'!

I like that

Also people lie….

hehe - I've been tracking instances of that in recent communication on this website and about myself and others for years!

Those in glass houses should not ... stand up too quickly? It's a new take on the old adage! 

'reality is a hypothetical construct' 

hehe

I am reminded of the story of a teacher in a monastery who when asked to impart enlightenment would hit the inquirer over the head with a stick. 

By all accounts they found more subtle means as time elapsed :-)

was reminded of that story one day:  I was building a greenhouse when I stood up from crouching and put the top of my head thro' a pane of glass that I had placed in the roof!

Oh I detailed it in the post, she was telling everyone I had come to her house once and was wild and unruly (or words to that description). I didn't say anything at the time -you learn from being bullied just to keep your eyes down and say nothing, they normally leave you alone after they've had their fun. Trying to offer my version would have just prolonged it, but I was always curious as to why her memory was so poor as I knew mine was good, it being a rare event for me. That and remembering those words being used for someone else, so I could see her mix up even if she couldn't. 

Interestingly I was just listening to a podcast, 'What's up doc', by Chris and Xand van Tulleken, and they had an episode on False Memory. The expert they had on at one point said 'reality is a hypothetical construct' and she was 'happy with my version of events'. I would recommend it to anyone about how disappointingly mailable memory is. 

Another choice quote ' imagine how overwhelmed you'd be if you remember every single detail of your life'.  Sounds familiar?

I would be interested in hearing what her version of this memory was as it is such a vivid picture…. What was her perspective?

yes, understood

In any situation where economic pressures increase prejudice increases too

Effects of Prejudice | Research Starters | EBSCO Research

so increased mental health pressures on autistic people 

increased prejudice because of how that effects us

all spirals somewhat 

to bring our conversation back to the original thread pietro_21 just when society needs people who see it like it is and tell it like it is they are increasingly rejected...

I didn't even l know I was autistic until 6 months ago. At the same time I don't expect much now, I have not been employed by a neuro typical workplace for over ten years ago. Most decent self aware firms acknowledge they are failing in their DEI schemes. I don't seem to have much of a problem making friends with decent people. Its just in team environments I am singled out by the firing squad. So my injustice at not being welcomed even for my visual diversity to others upsets me, because I cannot understand their point of view (or predetermined dislike of me) and I would never treat anyone like that.

It feels like the emperors new clothes to me because I see what they are doing. I just feel like with all the souless media its miserable and aimed to put us back to sleep. The games up as far as I am concerned. There has been a lot of killing of livelyhoods (and [spoiler alert] probably lives) going on. 

And all to make sure little Jonny gets his top job and little Veruca gets the husband she wants.

Agreed, in this instance i am suggesting that for the sort of person described above some form of redress by ridicule and humour might "put then in their place" and prove cathartic for the people suffering by them.

I guess the tricky thing is that a joke that starts "My mother-in-law..." can quickly become offensive to all mother-in -laws.

I have to acknowledge that i also play things to my advantage - e.g intelligence gets me into places and jobs that if I wasn't intelligent then... It's part of human diversity.  Jobs that need intelligence need intelligent people to fill them.

This will be a rash thing to say on this website to say however - some jobs need social communication skills - ironically the one I have had for most of my adult life...  Perhaps I have unfairly filled it from someone better suited than me.  But then I do a good job anyway..

The logical thing I think is for satisfying jobs to be identified that are ideal for autistic people in society at all levels for us to have and enjoy fair and reasonable progression in.

Logically there ought to be similar autism specific health care, housing and social activities etc.

Oh sh1t i am describing some sort of autistic apartheid! 

Anyway, at present the only way I can imagine that we get this is via doing it ourselves...

I also acknowledge that what if I was autistic and I wasn't lucky enough to be born into a relatively affluent part of human society where I have access to health care and support networks such as there are?

I wonder how autistic people without the same sort of luck as me get on.

So whilst there's a big bit of me that is p!ssed off about injustice I also have to remember there are lots worse off than me.  It makes me feel guilty about being so righteous in my personal indignation and do my best to support others who need help.

For this reason I try to aim my personal ire at those whose wealth is greater than mine (in a variety of ways) and don't treat me fairly.  I regularly fail in this tho'.

Very true, I remember hearing that a girl who was so self centered and who used to be particularly vile to me was going to study to become a nurse! I couldn't imagine a person worse suited to the job of caring of others.

When my kids were teenagers and we went to see my parents when they lived in Eastbourne, we'd get on the bus to go to the beach and lots of older people were really coomplimentary about how well mannered my kids were, that they'd give their seat up and help people with thier bags etc. On the way, we'd be stood at the bus stop waiting to go home and when the bus pulled up, almost out of nowhere elderly people often women would appear from nowhere and push, shove and elbow my kids out of the way whilst muttering about how they didn't survive the blitz to not be able to get on a bus.

So I dont' think it's about subconciously picking up an ND but just plain rudeness. I tell this story to people every time I hear someone going on about how young people today have no respect. They do have respect, but they expect to be shown it too and treated properly, not pushed aside like garbage.

I do think that a lot of people are bullies and are drawn towards professions where they have power over others, whether this is teaching, the police, military and medicine. These are exactly the sort of people who should never be allowed to have positions of responsibility because they become tin pot hitlers.

NTs view each other as their support system, truly independent thinking is their Achilles heal

veiling the truth, exactly

I remember the days when "comedians" told a constant stream of "!jokes" about mothers in law, dolly birds and black people, I didn't find it funny then and I don't now either.

I have a similar take, I wouldn't say I am cynical when people are willing to engage. A lot of experiences that have lead to my personal beliefs have been unprovoked.

I think when enough views are shared a collective understanding is that a position taken is wrong and possibly that the law is being broken.

In this case I feel like what is happening is a deliberate l undermining of certain types of human being. You can say this is part of human nature. But we are civilised suposedly. Success shouldn't have to be to someone else's detriment.  These are simple live and let live concepts, but might be diffucult for some to understand.

Interviews themselves are biased and discriminatory, if they like you and you have the 'skills and experience' they pick you to be on the team. NT people decide their every career move because the transitions are made easier for them by likeminded agencies.

My realisation now is how do I know if a friendship is genuine if I am the one having to manufucture and sustain eveyry part of it. I receive no input and people expect to be able to keep giving. This is a different discussion, but its something that highlighted to me that there are 

Exactly (your last comments) people play everything to their advantage (percieved nepotism/bias/entitlement),it can people to lower their moral code. Or they may not even be aware of a bigger picture.  If everyone else is doing it (and getting away with it) its ok. No its not.

Thanks for the long list. I have reduced this down to 10 that my managers have did to me at work.

with all this gas no wonder there are global warming problems!

here's a problem tho' I read this list and see myself having done the same things...

oh sh1t something else to hate myself about...