Published on 12, July, 2020
Firstly: As the (annoying) commentry indicates we don't know all the facts here.
Secondly: It's a "zero hedge" article featuring PJW, so will be utter anathema to some people.
Thirdly: It's morbidly interesting, and somewhat thought provoking.
The police were informed on the scene by the girls mother that she was Autistic and that their conduct was causing further harm and one replied "we don't care". That's textbook unreasonable…
In this context the term protest seems more appropriate than pride. However if we call it autistic pride it’s that much harder for the police to deny us the right to close the roads and March.
Looking at the face of it there is no way you could say but the family don’t have enough evidence to bring a prima facie case which means if they choose to Sue it’s almost certainly going to go to a hearing…
That video was a very uncomfortable watch.
The girl was cowering under the stairs, screaming in distress. The mother clearly told officers that her daughter is autistic and one of them responds with "I don't care". The mother clearly told officers that her daughter doesn't like being touched, as part of being autistic. The police still physically dragged her out and arrested her.
Was there not one officer there with some autism awareness training, who could have stepped in and stopped what was happening? There seemed to be a lot of police present. Shocking
Disgusting treatment. Unfortunately the police force are absolutely useless with autism and anyone who's special needs. My sister who is autistic and schizophrenialc has had dealings with the police and the way she was treated was appalling. They've not had the training. That needs to change.
Sad distressing video. Poor girl. I hope she is doing ok.
Based on past legal cases I smell a lawsuit here. https://www.hrlc.org.au/human-rights-case-summaries/zh-v-the-commissioner-of-police-for-the-metropolis-2012-ewhc-604-qb-14-march-2012 and I can say that because I’m not giving anyone any advice.
The Empire knows no bounds.
The lack of Parental responsibility allowed the State, rather than the Mum and Dad, to bring up children.
But, the Lord said that this shall happen; before his return.
Autonomistic said:Was there not one officer there with some autism awareness training, who could have stepped in and stopped what was happening? There seemed to be a lot of police present. Shocking
The teenager was drunk in public (aged 16 so was drinking illegally) and the police response was decent to start with (ie we're taking you home) then what we are told by the media is that the girl used a phrase that borders on a hate crime in our warped society and the police woman took exception to be told she looks like a lesbian.
Two minor strikes should not have escalated to the end situation but we don't know the whole story.
The police are using body cam footage to review what actually happened so we can see if this is being blown out of proportion by the media in search of a sensationalist story. I expect the truth lies between the stories told by both sides.
Being autistic is not a "get out of jail free card" and the police officer is entitled to take exception to the perceived insult. Comon sense should have prevented the escallation though, but what if the police officer was also autistic? Would that have made a difference in how she is being villified now?
I don't know if the police get training on dealing with autistic people, ADHD people, bipolar people or any one of the many conditions & illnesses out there - I supspct not as this would take time and money.
In the end I expect this will just get swept under the rug of an internal investigation by the police.
It does highlight the fact that we need better ways to educate society on the different spectrums to facilitate our interactions.
Actually I don’t think it will get swept under the rug it’s already been referred to the police complaints commission placing that aside The family have every opportunity to sue the police over this. The police have been sued for manhandling autistic people inappropriately before. If the family has the will to push the issue to court this could very well become a high-profile court case.
Peter said:Actually I don’t think it will get swept under the rug it’s already been referred to the police complaints commission
The findings are unlikely to be clear cut as the girl did use offensive language to the police woman (unintentionally) so the escalation seemed to hinge on this.
If the police lack training in dealing with autists then the girls behaviour could not have been reasonably anticipated by the police so they are unlikely to be liable through lack of training.
To get the training across the board would probably end up costing tens or hundreds of millions and the people who would benefit would be a small pool so the cost/benefit is not there.
That is why I think they will sweep it under the rug - there does not seem enough grounds to sue and a "fix" for the origins of this would be too costly.
The lack of training in autism hasn’t been a defence in previous cases. Mainly because I believe the judge came to the conclusion that the police had time to bring in an expert. In this case the girl was locked in the closet. It seems safe to assume that there was time to bring in someone with training
Looking at the face of it there is no way you could say but the family don’t have enough evidence to bring a prima facie case which means if they choose to Sue it’s almost certainly going to go to a hearing.
so whether or not it gets swept under the rug depends on the family and their will to go to court.
The police were informed on the scene by the girls mother that she was Autistic and that their conduct was causing further harm and one replied "we don't care". That's textbook unreasonable behaviour.
I'm surprised that the family didn't lose patience at that point and eject them.
They won't "get away with it" because the public will see this stuff, and will eventually put two and two together about the role of the police in our society, and respond accordingly, then change will happen.