Published on 12, July, 2020
Firstly: As the (annoying) commentry indicates we don't know all the facts here.
Secondly: It's a "zero hedge" article featuring PJW, so will be utter anathema to some people.
Thirdly: It's morbidly interesting, and somewhat thought provoking.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/arrested-saying-lesbian
That is there job after all, to give the CPS something to do, to do what the police crime commissioner tell them to, in all their unaccountable-earthy wisdom, which is to say as much as you could fit in a flower-pot..
I said may not, not do not ... if they get caught the evidence will be inadmissible. If they get caught...
How touchingly Naive...
Not in the UK. Police may not lie to a suspect.
DeSpereaux said:anything you do say will be given in evidence ‘against’ you.
so if saying nothing will be held against you in a court as will saying anything to the police - it does seem to me that it is best to make them have to work for any conviction whether deserved or not.
Yes anything you do say will be given in evidence ‘against’ you..
That's why you always say "no comment" in between asking for your rights, according to youtube lawyers.
I'm sure it's the same in the vast majority of countries (and worse in a bunch). They have a lot of power and unlike in TV, there are a lot of cops who are fine with getting an innocent person charged because it looks the same in the records if you get a conviction.
Idk exactly what the rules are in the UK, but Last Week Tonight did an episode about police interrogations in the US, and it's entirely legal for them to lie about evidence in order to get a fake confession.
Golf23 said:An Adverse inference can be drawn from No Comment especially if it ends up in court
It depends on whether you have done something wrong and don't want to make it easy for them to prove you guilty I guess - but I've known too many cases when the police manipulate the person being interviewed to get the result they want, irrespective of guilt.
Knowing former police officers and hearing their tales of what goes on only cements my cynacism of their impartiality.
My faith in the police force in the UK has been badly shaken.
An Adverse inference can be drawn from No Comment especially if it ends up in court, whilst you should listen and take in the advice your solicitor has told you, you also need to realise that only you make the decision to answer the questions put to you
As a general rule yes. But of course that’s not legal advice <_<
Based on the girls mothers account I’m not convinced they would’ve grounds to charge even if she had said it in public
The issue is that they would have arrested her for a Public Order Offence, at most Section 5, which cannot be completed in a private dwelling under S5(2) as the officers were in the same address.
This making the arrest unlawful, the Police had to drop the case as there is no realistic prospect of getting this charged on the grounds.
Unfortunately we are not privy to the full facts of the incident, other than what has been publicly released
My lawyer said I should always say "no comment" to anything other than providing your name. Pretty sound advice.
And assisting them and unlocking it is a whole other level as well. you should always take legal advice before cooperating with a police request to access your personal data.
Ian said:Confiscated the phone? Under what authority?
https://www.jointhecops.co.uk/how-long-can-the-police-hold-your-phone/
In order for a police officer to seize your phone, they must have either been granted a warrant to do so or after an official arrest.
The police in the UK cannot legally obtain your mobile device without good reason. Therefore, if you find yourself in a situation where the police are involved, you do not need to hand over your mobile phone without a warrant or before an arrest.
Confiscated the phone? Under what authority? We are not yet a total police state.
I Sperg said:Especially if you say it very politely, explain why you have to regretfully say no, and STICK TO YOUR GUNS.
I have to agree 100% with this.
Inform yourself of your rights and stick to them.
There are unfortunately way too many police officers who are ignorant (willfully or otherwise) of peoples rights and I have seen too many cases when these have been trampled on by the police trying to get the outcome they want.
Always make sure you get the officers badge number and name when things look like they are getting sticky and if they are exceeding their remit then ask them to ensure their bodycam is recording and ask to speak to their supervisor as you believe the poilice officer is breaking the law with their requests.
And lawer up if they continue to trample over your rights - you are entitled to a free one if they decide to arrest you.
Again with the nebulous "threats".
What they gonna do if you still say no?
Especially if you say it very politely, explain why you have to regretfully say no, and STICK TO YOUR GUNS.
I've been in way more trouble when I was touching my forleock and just "going along to get along" than when I've stood up for myself. But I am polite, I don't hate 'em I'm just fighting my own corner and doing what is right for me.
We don't live in a police state and a goodly amount of coppers are trying to do a good thing within the constraints placed upon them. But those like we see in that video they think we are their inferiors and they need to be disabused of that notion.
No he has a point.
I've refused to give things to the police or comply when they've exceeded their authority and made it stick.
Just because someone (whether wearing a costume or not) tells you what to do, does not always mean that you have to comply!
It's a matter for individual judgement, at least in those capable of making a judgement in such situations. People do get "awed" by authority celebrity or money very easily though..