National Service

I think it’s a good idea but why does it have to take so long. It will help people find employment and could possibly help tackle anti social behaviour. What I want to know is why do these things take so long if someone says they want to do something then do it.

i dunno, i think when chav culture was at its peak i think we all likely thought national service would whip the unruly troublesome kids into shape and discipline them lol

which was the basis of the tv programme "bad lads army"

Old person here. I think the idea is an absolute travesty.

To be fair, Brussels imposing straight cucumbes on us was sorted out a few years back now with a thing called Brexit.

Our cultural destruction and demographic replacement are now so "baked in" that "right wing" (or even centrist!)  fear has long since been replaced with despair and disengagement. 

We already have reasonable levels of public services, the problem is the "quality" of those services has been allowed to plummet across the board.

Buying more rubbish quality people and kit led by self serving and ineffectvive "management" ain't going to cut it either. 

This country neither "produces" nor "steals" effectively any more, and has been effectively selling all it's assets since 1980. The "reckoning" (I believe) won't be long now...  

its definately a attempt to get the older vote as every old person i ever met always says "they should bring back national service" lol my parents said that too.

ME, I'd like to do 2 days in service to my nation, for a pro-rata univeral basic income based on what a current 60 year old government service worker doing similar work gets on average.

I could live on that, and would have a sense of being involved in a positive way. 

We have to be careful with the concept of "National service". The military concept of "basic training", involves heavy psychological manipulation and conditiioning, that makes good order followers but that will not work for all types and do we really want a nation of order followers? 

It only takes the wrong person to give the wrong order and teh devoted "rder followers" are all suddenly doing bad or stupid things...

Heck, just a couple of years ago the "order followers" wanted people like me herded off to special camps... 

My not quite old enough to vote son has stated who he would not vote for based on this alone.

If people volunteer down the non military route, will there be enough places for them and won't the training and skills needed take longer than a year to acquire? It's being proposed that the RNLI and search and rescue teams should take these conscripts, oh, sorry volunteers, how many will live by the sea or the Thames? How many will live near mountains or moorland? How many will have the equipment such as decent boots, waterproofs etc to be able to even start on such tasks? How many will be casualties themselves and need rescuing?

In support of National Service, David Cameron said it would be good for people to put something back into their communities. I doubt he even understands what 'community' means. Rich people trying to convince poor people to vote against their own interests. The same old tale.

The Tories already had problems with their almost zero appeal to younger voters. They have obviously given up any hope in reversing this situation and are scrabbling to wrest the Little Englander, geriatric vote from the hands of [ insert current name of fascist-light party - UKIP, Brexit, Falange, Reform - whatever ]. I didn't think the Tory Party could drop any lower in my estimation, and yet they managed it. Hopefully, they have made themselves unelectable for a generation - we need a PR electoral system.

The far right demagogues only work through fear, they play on fears of foreigners in little boats, of people 'talking foreign' on the bus, the fear that Brussels will impose straight cucumbers on us, the fear that reasonable levels of public services will mean more taxation etc., etc. I much prefer hope, hope that things will improve, if only a little.

This is less a 'plan' than an off-the-cuff gimmick aimed at Reform voters. It's damage limitation. 

That said, a future Tory government may well introduce a form of 'National Service'- but what they'd really be interested in here is less the 30k joining the armed forces every year than the c.700k forced to work for free. 

Procuring cheap or free labour to further bolster the profits of the private sector is a government plan. 

I fully expect that it won't actually be implemented. Especially if they're basically saying that they'll force people to do it.

I think we should make a rule that anyone calling for National Service should do it themselves first.

Do you believe everything you read in celeb collums? Like I said you do make me laugh.

the military he pledged only 30k places for in this idea....

we have 70k troops.... cut from 100k.... by making this national service with 30k places all he does is get the troop count back up to 100k where the tories cut it from in the first place...  so yeah, its pointless.... just get us the real regular troop count back up to 100k instead... if national service doesnt give us a force in the millions its not worth doing.

Most NHS facilities I've been in recenlty. could use some extra cleaning and Maintenance people.

Preparation.

They already made the challenger tank fire control system very, very, "nintendo handset" like...

https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/us-celebrity-news/meghan-markles-path-white-house-32841954

It's happening.

National service does not work , it's a mark of a failing society and poor rule or govenance, much like volunteering is a signe of economic insecurity and that bad times are predicted , when there is a poor forecast for the economy there tends to be a push for people to volunteer because it does reduce the strength of the workforce by instilling fear for job security by diluting the workforce saturating it with unqualified help that allows the qualified trained and able workforce to be gradually removed and as a result the stress and pressure on the staff who remain in increased and they appear to underperformed which in turn allows for a percieved justification to cut wages or review contract and then the increased pressures of the workplace overflow onto personal and family life , the ability , efficency , safty and standards in most areas where volunteering is prvelent , the wider longterm implications are only ever a deteriation in ability,  quality and safty , the hand down lerning and skills gained over years of stability and consistency are very quickly lost ,in a matter of years thinks that have taken lifetimes of dedication and commitment from professionals with specific personal interests can be lost forever and society as a whole will seen a immediat decline from which there is no recovery and the longterm wider implications may be more gradual and appear more tolerable but the severity is much much worse , I do not volunteer,  it's as much to do with standards of quality and individuals safty ability to perform as it is about workers rights , wages and pensions , I would only ever accept a longterm contracted position with fixed hours a wage or salaried a floating zero hours workforce is very dangerous to everyone who is here today and to the generations that will follow us .