Elections and politics

Is anyone else interested? I'm not party political, because I find to much that is disagreeable about the various parties, for every plus point theres an equal minus one.

I realise this might be contravercial to some, is politics a taboo subject on here?

What autism friendly policies would you like to see parties take up?

  • IIM, Can you explain to me what you mean by progress and '..traditional religious based social an moral values,.......society was built on Chrisitan values and principals'?

    I like the idea of referenda more than the practice of them, mayve the Swiss are used to multiple referenda, but I don't think we are in this country. Having survived the whole Brexit thing and seen some of the hostility shouted at family members in the street, I think people here lack the critical thinking abilities to be able to have the country run by referenda and commitees. I'm also a bit dubious about commitees, I always remember the saying that a camel is a horse designed by commitee. Without more restraints on the press and social media I fear that more referenda would lead to less democracy not more. If you look at the sort of simplistic promises waved at the electorate before the Brexit vote, none of which were in reality that simple to do, then I think you can begin to see the difficulties. Even politicians such as David Davis didn't realise how complicated it would be, more fool him I think, he was in a position where he should have known.

    I do agree that what this country has isn't really democracy, yes we get to vote for our leaders, but it feels more like choosing between bad and worse, the FPTP system dosen't allow for truely representative democracy, MP's have to choose between party and constituents. I'd like to see PR and more parties and independents and more cooperation between smaller parties.

  • In one way, given the many harsh lessons taught to us during Covid, I honestly feel and believe that the only way out of our current situation is to reject “progress” and as far as possible, is to return in as many ways as possible to traditional religious based social and moral values, reflecting the fact that our society was built on Christian values and principles - I know that this view is unpopular in today’s modern and secular society, but I honestly believe that we are rapidly reaching a point where we will have no other option but to do so and if we don’t do so now while we have the chance, when we are eventually forced to do so later on, that path will be far harsher and much more painful for us and future generations, with far more radical and drastic measures needing to be taken to do so later on, as time is not on our side - the stakes of failure to do so could not be higher at this point 

  • Being Irish and living 22 years in Labour controlled Manchester, I totally agree, but I also believe that the situation is much worse back home in Ireland from what I’ve heard from family and friends and from what I’ve seen on visits home to Ireland, especially post-Covid - Irish people since Covid are now very candid and frank about expressing thier views despite Ireland’s new hate speech laws as they know that the Irish government and the Gardai (police) hates them and wants rid of them, as Ireland has fallen far further, harder and faster than the U.K. ever has including since Covid 

  • Swiss have referundums over almost everything, giving the people the chance to decide what decisions are made for the country and therefore making the nation truly democratic

    The Scottish independence referendum and the brexit referendum have put me off referenda for life.

    They are incredibly polarising and most people are utterly ignorant of the issues and fall prey misinformation.

  • that sounds good. true democracy...

    democracy and voting on every single policy, i said we need this so that they countries laws are each the peoples fault and choosing and they dont need to complain or riot they just need to vote for whatever law they want to be. if the majority vote a way some cry babies dont like then instead of whining or rioting which puts people off their thing anyway, they need to convince everyone their thing they want is good enough for everyone else to vote in.

  • I didn't know this about the Swiss......but I'm pleased to know it now.  Thanks Billy (and good to see you back!)

  • Yeah, there also seems to be a way of thinking that says if you are critical of MSM then you must be uncritical of you tube, bitchute etc.

    The whole point of critical thiking skills is that you focus on the information and context, and "sort out the pepper from the flyshit".

    What amazes and dismays me is how often the mainstream media nowadays lapses into utter fantasy.

    I expect that from my fellow tinfoil hat wearing nutters, but we are all supposed to be able to RELY ON THE MSM. Journalistic integrity was once a real thing I am told. 

  • Total clarity of thought there Billy. 

  • I feel the same way - and aside from here in the U.K. the situation is even worse back home in Ireland 

  • Tbh if we did soil it it would still be the best thing on the ballot paper!

  • Thanks I agree with a lot of what you say too

  • I'm goung to start a "soil your ballot campaign"

  • people should soil their ballot

    This conjured a wonderful mental image for me Slight smile

  • Spoil not soil!

    Although it might send more of a stronger message....

  • I think more people should soil their ballot. Some countries really are not democratic - we should make the most of the right that we have. And speaking as a woman,  people have died for that right. 

    Edit - I do agree with some of what you say though 

  • One of them will get in either way whether I vote for them or not  but at least this way I havn't contributed to it. 
    I do like the idea of writing none of the above on it though 

  • Switzerland has the best idea. They dont really have a Prime Minister, they have a panel of people from a mixture of the political parties who decide things by consensus and all of them take turns to be Prime Minister. That way decisions are actually made with thought and consideration and for the good of the country rather than knee jerk reactions that they hope will win them votes and headlines or score points over the opposition like it is here. 

    In addition the Swiss have referundums over almost everything, giving the people the chance to decide what decisions are made for the country and therefore making the nation truly democratic. They even had a refurendum over whether to have a Covid lockdown. 

    There are many reasons Id like to live in Switzerland, it is ordered and logical and calm for one, but this is another one 

  • And either of them are likely to get in if you don't vote. At least spoil your ballot!!

  • I dont vote anymore. All political parties will screw us over, just in different ways so why on earth would I actually walk down to a polling station and actually vote for people who are going to make my life worse and who don't care about me?

    Autism friendly policies - Stop getting NT people to assess us for things like PIP and disability benefits. None of the assesors have any knowledge of or training in autism so are not qualified to make decisions on us. 

    Have more training for employers so they know how to manage autistic people at work. We could be of so much use in the workplace but we are driven away by stupid systems and policies that we are not able to cope with. For instance, I once worked for a company that insisted on making autistic VOLUNTEERS go through performance reviews even if they were in tears and having panic attacks beforehand

    For my money, Labour are worse than the Tories. At least the Tories are honest enough to admit they dont care about us. Labour are like a wolf in sheeps clothing, tricking us into thinking they care when actually they are as uncaring as the Tories. They are both truly awful though and the country is screwed under either of them 

  • It always amazes me that people damn MSM and yet think any old crazy spouting BS on You-Tube must be the fount of all wisdom.

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