A revelation about getting on with people

Well I am so sorry that one did not please, have you heard the one about the budgie, the old engineer and the *** file? ;c)

(And before anyone rags on me for bad language, that's the correct name for a particularly rough engineering file, and essential to the operation of that particular joke, which does rely on the unexpected payload for it's humour, if you can get past what happens to the poor budgerigar). 

Actually, now I think of it, there are a lot of jokes where a budgie meets his end in a horrible way, what's that all about?

This has been an interesting subthread in a thread entitled "A revelation about getting on with people". 

TBH, I've always done better with cats & engineering than with people.so I guess I'd better go and mate that diode on the end of the optical fibre to the base of the switching transistor in the high voltage generator, so that I can float that HT on the experiment a bit easier and safer. If I go at it reasonably hard, I should get most of it done before the cat people phone... At the moment they are throwing money at fusion research, and we already have one tube of a gas we've recently transmuted via table top fusion...

Much as I would have liked it to be otherwise, I have yet to meet any woman who has appeared in my field who has contributed a single experimental idea, protocol or genuine insight. I've been actively searching for a long time now, and I usually extremely good at finding what I am looking for... For a while Prof Ning Li looked quite promising (at least she knows where the real action is, but as yet no real new science has emerged). Ive seen (as far as I can remeber exactly THREE women weild a screwdriver semi-intelligently, showing an undertsanding of torque and how undesirable it is to let the posidrive bit spin in the head of the screw. We've had equal opportunities for women for decades now, how come whenever I call up to find out why I can't see my DNS server any more, 90/% of the conversations I have are with males, and 1000 % of the solutions are provided by a male? Who is the actual sexist here, me for noticing it, or all those women who decided that there was something about engineering that doesn't really appeal to them, en masse? It sure is not the fault of male engineers discouraging women, I'm the reason I know three women who can use a screwdriver correctly. I taught one of them, otherwise there would only be two.

"ism's" ALWAYS require a double standard to be established and a new victim class to be selected.

Then the oppressive class du-jour commence the serious business of crying out in pain as they strike their new victim class.

Currenlty all around the world RIGHT NOW, a new "untermench" has already been selected. The unvaccinated. They cannot travel, in may cases they are prevented from going to work, in some countries actual concentration camps (A.K.A. "wellness camps") have already been built and revealed to the public apparenlty for when the injections become mandatory, in order to further protect society against the filthy "vaccine" refusers. NONE of this is conspiracy theory or rumour, it is actually happening in the real world, outside, and it's all right by everyone, because after all the majority have "voluntariliy" elected to have these injections (I put the speech marks there, because you've all been openly subjected to a massive government funded behavioural modification campaign, designed to attenuate your freedom of choice in that matter. If it did not work, would they spend the money?)

O.K. Let me see if I as a demonstrated teller of so called "sexist dad" jokes, understand this correctly...

Having a belief that men and women are fundamentally psychologically wired somewhat differently, for reasons involvinig basic biology and chromosomes and react (generally with few exceptions) differently in some situations, is somehow sick thinking now called "sexism" and to be called out whenever it appears?

And the reason given is that it somehow promotes violence against women?

How exactly does that work? I am all for reducing violence particularly that nasty extension of "bullying" that is applied towards all weak people male and female alike, where targets are selected for their vulnerabilty. 

And it is of course equally "sexist" to admit, that I am ashamed that most violence instigated (or offered, sometimes they don't get to follow through, becuase I take corrective action effectvely) against me, has been from men and not women.

I don't often get out of the car with the keys poking though my fingers because there's a shady looking woman hanging about by the cash machine. 

REALITY is "sexist". REALITY is "racist". REALITY is somewhat "genderist" given how sexual reproduction in mammals works. 

I was a victim across many fronts early in my life, how can I not side with those who are oppressed by the careless strong? I can easily get behind the idea that "racism is bad" right up until the moment I leave the house and travel abroad. 

Then after a short period in a place that does not uphold the "white values" that those who labour under the tiitle of "racist" do feel make a society better and safer to live in and would like to make universal, I am unashamedly glad of the racist white old men who convinced that their way was better, formed the society in which I live, where there are RULES, and MORES that have passed the test of time and proven themselves valid.

We are pouring contempt and scorn on the very scientific facts of human biology these days, and trying to pretend that differences do not exist, and hoping that if we pretend long enough those fundamental differences will vanish. 

Is my little genie joke actually disparaging to women? Is the hapless male protagonists who (like my self I will freely admit) struggle more to understand the working of the opposite sexes not the butt of the humour equally? I see a lot of assumptions being made about a joke which could to an unprejudiced and agenda laden mind be simply about the unexpectedness of the genie's change of heart R.E. the world? 

 We often see what we want to see. It very difficult to get another's perspective on things, but we have to try. The worst thing of all I find is that rare occasion when you can clearly see the underlying ignorance and foolishness that underpins someone passionately held beliefs as they and their followers try and jam them tdown your throat, repeately and endlessly. It is really hard to know exactly what to do then, except leave the situation and seek the company of a cat. 

I've just run the joke past my 27 year old avowed feminist daughter, often my most vocal and brutally honest critic. She found it lightly amusing, definitely non-offensive, and confirms as I suspected that my particular brand of "sexism" is in no way accompanied by mistreatment of the women I interact with. That's all the validation I need. Family trumps strangers every time.

I've nothing to apologise for here.

Personally, I don't make that connection, Kiki. But, I don't know. It could be true. I just think it's not remotely funny.

I like clever humour and clever people.  It always disappoints me when someone like I Sperg, with a sharp mind, tells a silly joke in which sexist beliefs (attitudes/norms) are presupposed.l may have a highly developed sense of humour.

It's like those old Carry On Films from the 1070's—grubby men chasing women with large breasts around, trying to grope/sleep with them—or the shows on TV in the 80's, like Benny Hill, a middle-aged man chasing young scantilly dressed females around a field.

I never understood what was so funny about them.  I think sexism not only demeans women, but also demeans men. We are not all perverts, rapists or sexual predators. 

To my way of being there are two ways to get a task done. Hack away at it slowly, learning as you go and trying to cover up your inevitable errors, or do nothing for ages except faff about and think, then do it all at once perfectly and move on. The first approach seems much more popular and pays better., I do the second one...

I accidently found out today what does word ''tactless'' really mean. Previous descriptions were not clear enough.

I found A.Lincoln's quote: “Tact: the ability to describe others as they see themselves.”. So simple.

your're 100% right, that is usually next step after those sexist jokes,

So by stopping the cause you prevent the effect

This is a great comment Tassimo and exactly what men need to do to call out sexism from their friends. 

All these women in the news who are getting attacked/ raped/ murdered despite taking all the precautions we can- carrying keys between our fingers, wearing running shoes, telling friends exactly where we're going and when- are not working. The women victims are doing all these things yet still getting assaulted. We can't do any more.

Now it's time for decent men to call out sexist/ demeaning/ misogynist comments and actions by their friends and colleagues, and change the attitude.

Men say 'oh I'm just joking' but that is where it starts- the attitude that women's safety doesn't matter but it's something to joke about. It isn't.

Oh yes, I understand about wanting to be direct. But people don't like it. I wonder if it's English and Americans though? Many Europeans are extremely direct e.g. Dutch. Maybe directness works better in other countries.

I found it out myself, bit to late though :P

Hit the nail right on the head. And we can't help being efficient because we just are!

One job I did was in marketing. I was constantly getting criticised, sneered at, excluded. Then I was promoted to accounts. A marketing colleague came up to me and said:

'That guy we hired to replace you in marketing? He's kind of...stupid.'

I shrugged. I should have said 'you don't know what you've got til it's gone, eh?'

Oh thanks Exist, your first sentence explains a lot to me! Maybe I do the same?

I am done with forum and social media controversies etc. I am bored of trolls and all those types. I used to get sucked into it all but I just mute/block now. It's a shame we can't block people on this forum, or can we?