bit flash ...

still “The Advocate” (INFJ-T)

byt also part-time awesome :) ... like the rest of us!!

:-D

Lol, allegedly I am "ENFP - The Campaigner", "Role: Diplomat, Strategy: Social Engagement".

I think this says more about the way I have adapted after 57 years of living amongst 'Humans' though & anyone that would suggest I would do well as a diplomat is just plain crazy!

Edit : I have taken this test before a few years ago though & pretty sure that last time the questions were a bit different. Although I can't remember what my result was last time, I'm pretty sure it wasn't ENFP.

Just did another one on which I got INTP. 

Too much wavering on questions over whether it important to be right, when to me that can be such a relative question. Who should be allowed to have the monopoly on Truth? When it comes to certain issues, thinking about it since I last did a test, there is no way I would spare the diner feelings of another if Ithought their views were so much hoooey - and don't.  That might not apply in spheres regarding individual tastes if preferences though. 

I have David Kiersey's book "Please Understand me II".  He groups the 16 types into four categories based on original descriptions by Plato in "The Republic":

* SPs - Artisans: Tend to become masters in the making of solid, practical things.

* SJs - Guardians: They keep watch over the activities as well as the attitudes of the people in their circle.  Rely on common sense and hold morally correct beliefs, and alert to both the needs and perils of others.

* NFs - Idealists: Serve a philosophic function in society, to divine moral principles and the full meaning of life.

* NTs - The Rationals: Serve the function of studying nature and figuring out ways to understand/harness/tame it.

If you're interested in this sort of thing you might find it interesting.  He has his own type sorting questionnaire - "The Kiersey Personality Sorter" which is given in the book with the scoring key. 

INFP

I got this

Oh how interesting! I had my MBTI done by a trained assessor too -  I am also INTP, which he said was quite unusual. Thanks so much for sharing this information. 

Here's the results so far.

Interestingly, the INxx's account for almost 80% of the replies - only 5 out of the 24 total were not in this type family.

I'd linked to two forums above in the words 'seem' and 'agree'. I'm just using search engines and discarding some of the poorer or duplicate results...

For Star Trek (plus the Muppets and others), see here for a chart: https://www.adventureassoc.com/myers-briggs-personality-type-charts-of-fictional-characters/#startreck

... and here for amateur speculation: https://www.personalitycafe.com/guess-type/119410-star-trek-characters.html Interestingly "Spock: INTJ (the same as most Vulcans, I would think)" seems plausible, but no way is Worf 'INTP'! Security types tend to be SJ types, as explained in Trekker language here: http://www.wischik.com/damon/Texts/myersbriggstrek.html

Sometimes people don't understand type well, or don't know the characters well. Finally, one for Whovians:

So, us autistic INTPs have much in common with Yoda: wise, reserved and can't get our words in the right order.

Is there a link, and/or is there also one for Trekkers like myself? (No rush... there are other troubles on this Forum way more important.) ...Thanks, though!  :-)

Eager to oblige DC... Star Wars fans don't seem to all agree.

Lando - ESFP /ESTP
Boba Fett: ISTP
Finn [ENFP] / ESFJ
Rey [ISFP] / ISTP

You'll have to make your mind up from the character descriptions.

There's another of those charts for Harry Potter, but ISTR [I Seem To Recall] JK Rowling said they had one or two wrong.

On this test I got ESTJ-A. I did one before a few years ago, on another site and got INTJ. I don't know if these are accurate because of it. I'd say I'm more ESTJ if I think about it. My alignment test is True Neutral. 

Yes, as BlueRay says, "Take rest Lonewarrior", I agree very much... Please  'Take Rest' before 'Rest takes You'... And Good Fortune to You from myself as well.

I'm aware of many criticisms, although I think some are unfair and a reaction to its corporate use in the US. Initially I saw it as no more scientific than signs of the zodiac, with people reading what they wanted to into their type. However, it was statistically-significant studies of association with particular occupations (from the MBTI manuals) that convinced me it was measuring something reliable. It has some aspects I don't accept, including binary or bimodal distinctions and 'functional analysis', but the sentiment behind its understanding of diversity and the handy 4-letter types makes it much better language for conversing with other personality junkies than the numerical subscales of the 'Big 5'. I haven't looked in detail into claims of poor test-retest reliability, but am sceptical from my own experience.

Having read around it a bit more, I find it easier to apply David Keirsey's understanding of temperament to people I know and meet (there are friends I think of as 'artisan' or 'idealist'). Keirsey did come from the ranks of conventional psychology, but as I understand it, drew on MBTI, and you will see it informs Anna Moss's 'Oddly Developed Types'. In any case, whatever the origins, the division into 16 is accessible and has been the much subject of subsequent research. The Wikipedia pages remind me that the I, N, T and P preferences have been associated with 'personality disorders', so that raises the question of whether those disorders are in fact misdiagnosed autism or potentially healthy traits in conflict with a society that is dominated by social ES types.

As for creating a poll, why not? I've seen some results from other autistic discussion forums, but would be interesting to compare. Anyone can add a poll using the 'Insert' menu with the 16 types. I suppose it should be in a new thread so more people see it. Maybe could decide which online version(s) of the test to suggest... there was a version on the BBC site... ah, here it is, though hard to read!

Cassandro said:

MBTI has more evidence behind it than

... and yet there are a lot of criticisms of MBTI, since the people who came up with it weren't formally trained experts (as much as that counts for anything).

A little late on catching up with this thread, I got LOGISTICIAN (ISTJ, -T) on this - cool!

I think I understood you mostly. The question about the relationship between type and autistic traits is intrinsically confusing, and as the text I quoted shows, the answers just aren't known. Us INTPs may speculate until the cows come home.

It can be hard when there's to much going on 'up there' to the point where things get confused and you tire your brain out.

I'm going to take a few hours' break from the internet myself, I think, and get out somewhere even though I don't have anything planned. I hope you have a good afternoon.

What was it you were reading? The INTP type description on 16Personlities? Or something specific to Asperger's?

Thank you Cassandro it was the 16 personalities page I was reading.

my head is in a bad place right now, I am struggling to just keep going. Too much in my mind causing major conflict. This stops me from seeing clearly and my brain starts to fog and I become less able to speak or think as I am unsure of my words or thoughts.

I hope I have explained myself although looking at it again I just see descriptive words not actually what I am trying to convey!

thank you.

Another INTP here..

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seems there is a link of sorts with Aspergers, the only type that has that link, having read about it several times I still cannot workout in my cloudy mind today wether being INTP-T can present as Aspergers? But isn’t a case you are.

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Or being Aspergers can show signs of being INTP-T personality type, but just happens to share common traits?

What was it you were reading? The INTP type description on 16Personlities? Or something specific to Asperger's?

There's definitely a personality component to autism, although given the variety of responses here, it's very rough. I'm slightly surprised how many agreeable Feeling types. Preferring to making difficult decisions based on the feelings of others doesn't fit into the typical Aspie stereotype.

I'll repeat the link I gave further up this thread:

http://oddlydevelopedtypes.com/content/intps-and-aspergers-syndrome-0

In INTP and INTJ internet communities, the question of a link between Asperger’s and type comes up over and over again. Several responses typically appear, namely:

• “Suppose that Asperger’s is simply INT taken to an extreme?”

• “I’m an INT and I have this problem.”
• “You’re misdiagnosed.”
• “I’m an INT and I have a sibling/acquaintance/friend who has this problem and there is definitely something wrong there.”
• “I know someone with Asperger's and I don't think they're an INT.”

The reason that these questions keep coming up over and over is that many of the descriptions of Asperger's Syndrome symptoms read like a checklist for how to identify an INTP.

• Lack of social skills? - Oh yeah.
• Lack of empathy? - Depends on how hard the T in INTP is.
• Flat, formal, advanced speech? - Yes
• Obsessed with learning about certain interest areas - Absolutely
• Talk a lot about their favorite subject - If you can find someone who will listen...
• Above average sensitivity to tastes, noises, lights, etc – Has been found to describe all introverts: a drop of lemon juice placed on the tongue will cause an introvert to salivate more than an extravert. (1)
• Measurable associations with math and science - No question about it

It was found that ASD traits were correlated with IP and Neuroticism. Interestingly, the AQ test separates ASD traits out into five categories. Each category turned out to be correlated (strongly or weakly) to certain aspects of the Big Five.

• Social skill (lack thereof): ITP
• Attention switching (staying absorbed in one thing at length; wanting a plan and routine): ISFP + Neuroticism
• Attention to details (noticing numbers, dates, small changes, details, patterns): ENJ
• Communication (lack of conversation skills) : ISP + Neuroticism
• Imagination (lack thereof): ISTP

There appears to be evidence supporting a relationship between type INTP and Asperger's. Whether this relation is a matter of definition, degree, or actual concurrence remains to be seen.  The question of misdiagnosis should be taken very seriously, since some of the treatments for autism have been determined to be "torture" by civil rights groups, and the victims of "therapy" show symptoms of fullblown PTSD.

I assume that 'therapy' refers to ABA and authoritarian schooling. There's also an informative page about INTPs being misdiagnosed with ADD. Fits me perfectly and is a reason for not getting ADHD as another label.

From http://www.typelogic.com/intp.html:

INTPs are pensive, analytical folks. They may venture so deeply into thought as to seem detached, and often actually are oblivious to the world around them. ... INTPs are relatively easy-going and amenable to almost anything until their principles are violated, about which they may become outspoken and inflexible. ...  A major concern for INTPs is the haunting sense of impending failure. They spend considerable time second-guessing themselves. The open-endedness (from Perceiving) conjoined with the need for competence (NT) is expressed in a sense that one's conclusion may well be met by an equally plausible alternative solution, and that, after all, one may very well have overlooked some critical bit of data.

LOGICIAN— INTP-T.

seems there is a link of sorts with Aspergers, the only type that has that link, having read about it several times I still cannot workout in my cloudy mind today wether being INTP-T can present as Aspergers? But isn’t a case you are.

Or being Aspergers can show signs of being INTP-T personality type, but just happens to share common traits?

Sorry but my mind is not very balanced of late so I just keep going over and over the words and it is just confusing me.

I will say the description is pretty much spot on.