Riots

hey that guy Caelus was right actually. Starner is going to use this to enforce a strict police state on the British public. Look it up it’s true. This is like the country being put on lockdown. Don’t get me wrong what these people are doing with they’re riots is making things worse as it’s giving starmer the excuse he needs to shut down the country and label anyone that questions the government a far right fascist.

That is absolute rubbish.There's a big difference between non violent, though at times very heated,debate and what those rioters are doing.Starmer is quite rightly against the latter. As is any civilised and decent person. I find it very disturbing the way some are quite happy to seek to legitimise the awful behaviour of these  rioters. The 'they're doing it because the working classes have been denied a voice for too long' bs. Or the 'they're not racists they have genuine concerns' bs. There are no excuses for such rioting. Anyone seeing Starmer's response to the rioting as showing his desire to turn the UK into a  'strict police state' are only comparatively less morally repugnant than those rioting.

I agree.  Attempting to" both sides" this  issue shows a lack of knowledge of what's going on frankly.  

Today's reports are that a hate crime has taken place in Belfast.  The victim is a victim, not a side.

Mark (formerly Spikey) said:

there are people who just wish to inflict harm and will come up with the justification later, or will try to engineer the justification, or will jump on board with an existing justification.

Yep, that's true imo. 

Looters also - people who see an opportunity to profit from the chaos. 

Like in 2011 - people were rocking up all over London, breaking windows and looting - because it was an opportune time for a bit of rapid thievery without personal consequence. 

In the words of Alfred, "some people just want to see the world burn."

Having encountered such an individual personally, I know first hand that there are people who just wish to inflict harm and will come up with the justification later, or will try to engineer the justification, or will jump on board with an existing justification. It is scary to think that this is the case, but it is true. It wouldn't matter if their grievances were addressed, as they would leap straight to something else.

(PS - not looking for an argument here, just stating some bad first hand experience that I've had)

See you later.

What are the facts  that you claim I'm ignoring? Can you be specific?

I don't claim any facts - I was making reference to refusal to look at both sides of the situation.

I agree that a victim is a victim as you state but my discussion point is to understand why the riots are happening to prevent them again in future.

In the interests of preventing the spiral into an arguement that so often happens here I will not be replying further.

The above only reflect my views that things are much more nuanced than you imply and require careful understanding for prevention to work.

What are the facts  that you claim I'm ignoring? Can you be specific?

What are the facts  that you claim I'm ignoring? Can you be specific?

Mark (formerly Spikey) said:

there are people who just wish to inflict harm and will come up with the justification later, or will try to engineer the justification, or will jump on board with an existing justification.

Yep, that's true imo. 

Looters also - people who see an opportunity to profit from the chaos. 

Like in 2011 - people were rocking up all over London, breaking windows and looting - because it was an opportune time for a bit of rapid thievery without personal consequence. 

In the words of Alfred, "some people just want to see the world burn."

Having encountered such an individual personally, I know first hand that there are people who just wish to inflict harm and will come up with the justification later, or will try to engineer the justification, or will jump on board with an existing justification. It is scary to think that this is the case, but it is true. It wouldn't matter if their grievances were addressed, as they would leap straight to something else.

(PS - not looking for an argument here, just stating some bad first hand experience that I've had)

See you later.

What are the facts  that you claim I'm ignoring? Can you be specific?

I don't claim any facts - I was making reference to refusal to look at both sides of the situation.

I agree that a victim is a victim as you state but my discussion point is to understand why the riots are happening to prevent them again in future.

In the interests of preventing the spiral into an arguement that so often happens here I will not be replying further.

The above only reflect my views that things are much more nuanced than you imply and require careful understanding for prevention to work.