Fun discussion about manhood

I’m sorry I regret replying to your post, although I like it. I didn’t mean to offend you or be negative. 

Sorry mate. I don't know how I managed to mess up my bit so badly from your perspective, but I was on side and thought this thread started really well and good natured. 

For the record, your essential good nature does come though in the nature of your O/P. I asked you for clrification about what you originally described as intolerance and found instead of intolerance a very reasoned, balanced and nuanced understanding of the issues, and was trying to commuincte that when "the niceness" broke. 

I genuinely don't know what went wrong, I like and respect your point of view, and hope you can see that at soem point. YOU did nothing wrong, (I'm not actually sure that I did) but sometimes we might see conflict where none is in fact being offered? 

You are not spiteful and taunting in your posts ever, so you are entitled to expect me to be straightforward with you even if we find grounds to disagree. 

Autism leads to confusion & misunderstanding sometimes, we know that.  

Didn't you accuse em of being a troll in the other thread? ;c)

Hibernating said:

You live in Brazil though, not the UK?

I was born and raised in the UK, lived in Brazil and Germany for several years and recently have moved to Brazil to get away from the toxicity of the UK.

I have a long career working in the UK with a lot of management and recruitment exposure which gave me the perspectives for this conversation.

Between politics, finances, polarisation of the population over vaccines, the imbalance in so many "rights" areas (womens, trans, racial etc) and of course the weather - it made a nice toasty place like Brazil a perfect place to take my life savings and have a much, much better quality of life while doing some good (helping autistic teenagers transition out of school).

I admit to being cynical about some of the subject areas we have discussed on this thread but that is through bitter experience.

This isn't exactly fun so here is another obligatory male joke:

Why don’t men have mid-life crises?

Because they’re stuck in adolescence.

Sadly I have to agree Iain. I work in an industry that is about 80% male and rather than fix the problem by encouraging more women to enter the industry, many companies including the one I work for, are promoting very young and inexperienced women into very senior positions they simply aren’t ready or qualified for so that they can make their diversity statistics look good.

It’s creating a completely toxic environment where I work and any man who speaks up is grievanced and processed out of the business.

Hibernating said:

2.  Please provide statistics to back up what you say regarding women having better pay and opportunities at work than males (ie power)

I was basing this off my personal experience in my last 2 jobs at a major sporting organisation and in the civil service where I was instructed to hire only female staff but it was not allowed to be put in writing because it broke the equal rights laws.

This is widespread at the moment (I checked with recruitment agencies on their experiences and it mirrors mine) as many companies strive to have equal numbers of male and female employees seemingly irrespective of whether the new female hires are better than the male applicants.

Hibernating said:

3.  Women having the power to say 'no' to mens' 'inappropriate' behaviour doesn't back up your argument very effectively.

Not what I said - I said about women having the ability to falsely accuse a man of inappropriate behaviour and the man will then be "cancelled" irrespective of the truth.

This is rife at the moment and it does not reciprocate to if a male accuses a female (unless the male is underage).

These reflect where the pendulum is swinging too far from the balance it should be maintaining in my opinion.

In keeping with the original spirit of the thread, here is an obligatory joke:

How can you tell when a man is going to say something smart? When he starts a sentence with, “My wife told me…”

It's a shame this post got a bit lost and confused. I thought it was interesting to see something intended to provoke thoughts about how men's lives are impacted by autism, as there are often discussions about how women are affected.

I personally think it's nice and polite when a man opens a door for me or lets me get on the bus first, but maybe that's a generational thing? I don't feel underpowered by it.

I think that men deal better with controlling their emotions, but women can learn better communication - but I feel that this is true for both autistic and neurotypical men and women.

However I don't see much other difference between autistic men and women. When I've posted on here, many of the replies stating that people think, feel or  experience things the same way as me are from men. I share interests with autistic men that are not usually what neurotypical women like. I think that autistic men are generally less competitive or worried about status than their neurotypical counterparts and more thoughtful, but that could also be applied to women. And all of us have problems with social interaction and  communication, that neurotypical people don't tend to have.

Right obviously it’s just me I try to post a nice thing on here. And all I get is negativity. There really is something wrong with autistic people because whenever I’m around them they twist everything I say and turn it into a negative just like everything else. From now on I won’t be posting on here. I have better things to do than play mind games. And some people say autism isn’t a sickness or illness how about asking me what I think. Because all the posts on here have been making it into a bad thing that I respect and care about women. How can you make that into a bad thing? Some guy even tried to argue with me because he wants to get stoned and I have zero issues with it? WTF? Has everyone forgot to take they’re pills this morning or what?

What wasn't fun about what Debbie said?

Debbie, the O/P desired this to be a FUN discussion about manhood, and it appears you've spammed it with non fun.

Clearly, Karma has just slapped you! 

I'm never sure what 'treating women with reespect' actually means, surely one treats everyone with respect? I open doors for people regardless of gender, I dont' see why a simple act of respect is or needs to be so gendered. I guess I'm similar to AuTriker and Debbie in this.

Unfortunately I've had to log out as I've been thrown into spam by quoting you.

So, without quoting you, here are my points:

1.  Men being used as slaves etc is irrelevant.  The conversation has become about male/female power.

Slaves/castes etc - that's not perpetrated by females alone. 

2.  Please provide statistics to back up what you say regarding women having better pay and opportunities at work than males (ie power)

3.  Women having the power to say 'no' to mens' 'inappropriate' behaviour doesn't back up your argument very effectively.

4.  You live in Brazil though, not the UK?

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Iain said:

In some of the other cultures around the world plenty of men are slaves, are born to castes that are considered untouchable or are brutalised by totalitatarian regimes.

That's irrelevant.

The subject of this offshoot of the main conversation is female/male power.

Iain said:

In todays culture at work I believe the balance of power is passing the mid point where the power is moving to women who are being able to have an influence greater than men

Please provide statistics showing that women have greater opportunities in the workplace and earn more than men and have greater earning potential than men.

Iain said:

the risk of being falsely blamed for inappropriate behaviour.

Ah, women having the power to say 'no'?

An odd choice of example.

Iain said:

what we now experience in the UK as men.

You live in Brazil though?

Here's some more examples of men 'not'! having power:

https://pulitzercenter.org/stories/acid-attacks-pakistans-worst-social-epidemic

https://www.amnesty.org.uk/womens-rights-afghanistan-history

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/mar/29/the-guardian-view-on-global-womens-rights-saudi-arabia-isnt-the-only-problem

The facts are based on the situation worldwide so are very skewed from our own country and culture.

These things we can experience and influence and are what I Sperg was talking about I believe.

In some of the other cultures around the world plenty of men are slaves, are born to castes that are considered untouchable or are brutalised by totalitatarian regimes.

In todays culture at work I believe the balance of power is passing the mid point where the power is moving to women who are being able to have an influence greater than men - DEI and the risk of being falsely blamed for inappropriate behaviour.

Maybe a correction is overdue - I'm not qualified to judge that but it is what we now experience in the UK as men.

I Sperg said:

MEN have the power?? 

We used to be allowed the illuson of "having the power" but now they dont;

https://www.womankind.org.uk/womens-rights-facts/

HMO said:

Probably should have said "considered to have the power" but it's open to debate anyway.

Just look at Afghanistan ....

Probably should have said "considered to have the power" but it's open to debate anyway.

HMO said:

men have the power and therefore it's considered fair game

Both men and women have power, but in different ways.