Published on 12, July, 2020
Hello,
I don't feel safe in this forum and I blame you for it.
I understand where you are coming from, but I feel it unfair to blame the mods as it isn't their job to protect you from anything you find offensive.
If we had one person who found discussion about cuddly toys offensive and another group loved talking about the toys, should we block the group who talk about the toys?
An extreme example but it illustrates the point.
Yes we should keep a lid on legally defined hate speech or anything that explicitly breaches the Ts & Cs of the site, but this is a fine line sometimes as the hate speech is often only implied.
I think we should take some personal responsibility and avoid discussions that begin to trigger us or we find offensive.
Sorry Iain but these are not comparable things. And it would be victim blaming to suggest people should try not to be offended more so than people should just try not to be offensive.
π Bees π (they/them) Autism resources in bio #stoptheshock #NothingAboutUsWithoutUs said:Sorry Iain but these are not comparable things. And it would be victim blaming to suggest people should try not to be offended more so than people should just try not to be offensive.
Hello Bees, I didn't see the OP say she was the victim at any point.
I understood that she read the discussions and was offended or triggered by them and highlighted a few cases where the rules had been broken and more where it was borderline.
I suggested that rule breaks should be dealt with by the mods, but otherwise if the posts are not breaking the rules then we have no reasonable expectation for them to be removed.
If the reader is still offended then the only reasonable response is to stop reading the post - simple personal responsibility to themselves.
As an autist I may be missing some unwritten rule and ask that you explain it to be because it seems clear cut to me.
Iain said:If we do start policing the boards in that sort of way it will wither and die anyway as those, like me, who try to offer potential answers, advice and techniques run the risk of offending someone who is triggered by their mention.
I don't think we know for certain what the result will be, but really it's not always better the devil you know, the current situation is untenable.
Iain said:The very principles of free speech are freedom to say something but not freedom from the consequences. You break the rules / law you get punished. Simple. People have the freedom not to hear are well if it is disagreeable, but they do not have the right to cancel the person saying something that is within the rules.
The very principles of free speech are freedom to say something but not freedom from the consequences. You break the rules / law you get punished. Simple.
People have the freedom not to hear are well if it is disagreeable, but they do not have the right to cancel the person saying something that is within the rules.
I don't think you will find anyone that disagrees with this, the problem is because some people draw the line farther back/forwards than others it causes misunderstanding of what is aacceptable.
Iain said:What I've been asking about is when it is not clear cut - should we give up making any comment on anything in case it may offend someone?
I can't be around all night as I have to get dinner and suchlike, but I think in answer to your question there is the old addage "discretion is the better part of valor" which is to say make sure to read it over before we send it make sure we reallth THINK (I'll add the pic of what I mean) about it, and if in doubt you can always leave it out, nobody is forcing us to hit send after all.
It sounds like advice you'd give to a kid but honestly it hasn't steered me wrong when I've used it.
π Bees π (they/them) Autism resources in bio #stoptheshock #NothingAboutUsWithoutUs said:because you aren't the traget of a specific type of hateful content you may not always see that it is hateful because it doesn't affect you or people like you (demographic dependant)
That I understand and there are rules that cover hate speech here for this reason.
What I've been asking about is when it is not clear cut - should we give up making any comment on anything in case it may offend someone?
If we do start policing the boards in that sort of way it will wither and die anyway as those, like me, who try to offer potential answers, advice and techniques run the risk of offending someone who is triggered by their mention.