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I think Nexus11 was making an ironic point about the incongruity between British values like 'sticking together' in the face of the divisiveness of the current era. 

you attribute austerity to british tories?

yet again another thing lefties have absolutely no knowledge on before thy speak then..... austerity was around for time immemorial and is a normal procedure of any nation to ballance the books.... the EU nations also were going through austerity and some still are now.... but yeah media scum and lying lefties have painted it as a bad thing and something only tories do lol its rather funny because that paints them as politically incompetent, kinda like a car driver saying he hates brakes and only car drivers he hates use brakes and no other car driver ever needs to use the brakes...

Dunkirk spirit:  The spirit of the British public pulling together to overcome times of adversity.

Over eight days in May 1940, hundreds of thousands of Allied troops stranded in northern France were rescued by boat and taken back to England. Some were rescued by military boats, other had to wait for hours, stood shoulder to shoulder in the water, to wait for the flotilla of fishing boats, lifeboats and civilian sail boats hastily assembled by people back in Britain. The story of the rescue against the odds and the conditions that the soldiers endured has entered into British lore, to the extent that people in the U.K. today still talk of the “Dunkirk Spirit.”

I'd like to say I was surprised that you see this as a negative trait. But I'm not. It's typical of the Leftist mentality and anti-British ideology. You even see the rescuing of British soldiers during World War II as negative. 

Your judgments about another person say more about your own character than the character of the person you are pointing a finger at. 

It's comforting to read comments like this because it has been a very troubling experience reading this thread! Thank you Nick.

again we got products from all over the world but they had to go through the EU first, they acted as a middle man and did the deals for us... which in turn wasnt deals to be favourable for us but deals to be favourable for them making money off us by buying off the source and then selling to us for ramped up profit.... they didnt allow us to go to the source and buy direct for cheaper, it is illegal in the EU for members to do that, one of the conditions is any outside deal or trade the EU has to do it for you in which they act as middle man and want profit from it, alot of profit from it. which increases the prices of goods on our shelves.... but your fine with that, because your a middle class selfish pillock who probably voted tories all your life up until last election.

Some Trade deals are mainly for the benefit of large corporations where they want to monopolise everything and sue governments if they don't get their own way. Take a look at NAFTA for example. What we had in the EU was amongst the best set-ups in the world. People in other, less fortunate countries would give their right arm for what we had and all the opportunities future generations could expect. 

Caelus said:

ow, please go away, learn how the EU works, then come back and we can have a propper debate without you embarrassing yourself and speaking of things you know very little of.

I know that when we were in it we were part of the biggest trading block in the world and were amongst the the top 3 most important countries in it and we had free trade with all members. I also know that when we were in it you could walk into any supermarket  or retail outlet and find products from all over the world so I'm not getting that we were somehow banned from trading with other countries or the big bad EU had our hands tied. You are getting confused with trade deals and international treaties and all the crap they told you during the Leave campaign . The only one embarrassing themselves here is you. We also had the benefit of travelling freely throughout the EU and to study and work throughout it. 

You haven't gave a single benefit of leaving to date. Nor will you or any other brexiteer because they don't have any. It's not nice being hoodwinked by propagandists or easy to admit but you were. They've left you out at sea without a paddle. 

I think if anyone sensible was given the choice between being part of and a senior member of the biggest trading block in the world or being an isolated and insular little island having to go round the world begging for trade deals with insignificant countries or former little colonies or to go begging the US for one on their terms, I think the sensible people would choose the former.  Now on the other hand if you can come back to me and say, yes, we have now miraculously got a better deal than being part of and a member of the biggest trading block on the planet, who's members were are neighbours and virtually on our doorstep then I may begin to listen to your rantings. How long would that take to go around the world begging for trade deals from insignificant countries where we are not really that important anymore and haven't many cards to play ? 50 - 100 years ? Do you know how long it takes to finalise 1 international trade deal ? And why would the US want or need to do us any favours in a trade deal ? They would simply say take it or leave it insignificant little country.  

Caelus said:

i gave you benefits, the ability to freely trade unstifled alone globally is a benefit that far outweighs the EU on its own..

Do you have a shred of evidence to back that up ? How is that going so far ? How long do you think it will take to match what we had ? 2, 3, 4 generations ? I don't want you to back at me with opinion, 3 word slogans or any other nonsense. Come back with hard facts or evidence. 

not sure what care home it was, but it was home help that pretty much abuducted her and tried to force her wealth and property off her in a care home. but at the time she lived with 2 of my uncles who took care of her ontop of having home help when they was out. and home help pretty much kept tryna force her into a home and steal her stuff.

hell they even got broke in one time and the people that broke in knew where everything was and stole my uncles car keys and savings and took off with his car, turned out it was one of the home helps relatives that did it. they are very dodgy and criminal. both home help and the care homes, of which is probably one and the same i guess, i guess the home help might work for the care home or something.

anyways alot of care homes around me always end up being found out for beating the elderly residents up. thats one reason my uncles looked after her themselves because they knew the state of the care homes and didnt want to put her in one when they would only end up mistreating her.

Which care home did she go to Caelus? I've had family members in both care home and assisted living situations. They were always well cared for and respected. The only one who could ever be considered 'forced' (and I use that term very loosely) was a great uncle with dementia. He was incapable of looking after himself, my great Aunt cared for him as long as she was able, eventually it became too much for her.  You seem to have had some experiences that have somewhat coloured your view on certain situations. There are some very bad places. That can't be denied. But does that make them all bad?

aye i dont like mentioning care homes though.... i dont even consider care homes to be legal myself. they beat up the people they supposed to care for and they tried to force my nan into a care home and my uncle only got there in time to stop them and found them trying to force sign her home away to them. they are pure criminals and in drastic need of severe reform and criminal investigation. 

Did you not read my comments?

The home my mother spent herast days was almost 100% staffed my Romanians, Somalians, anyone but Mykal's rare and endangered indigenous brits!

You couldn't make it up

fruit farms maybe, because they was seasonal jobs, of which thus they were reliant on backpackers. as they are not constant jobs, but a seasonal one off which is usually a job that backpackers do to fund their journeys.

hospitals, the NHS being all migrant workers is a myth that was wrongly spread, statistics state only 3% of the NHS staff are foreign workers. of which most of them didnt even come from the EU but from places like india, of which we can now have increased movement with due to being free from the EUs control which the EU wasnt very welcoming to anyone outside of it, which is what caused alot of hold ups and problems in turkey and libya.

Trouble is, now there is no one to work in the fruit farms or ho pitals or homes at a, because oddly....... there is no local labour to do the jobs. 

aye because thats the only way to make it in this system.... thats the only way for "free passive money" that you dont need to work for. but it comes at everyone elses expense, its far worse than anyone claiming welfare, because it drives up housing prices to the point no one can afford a house even with 30 years of work without spending a single penny of it, to the point it drives everyone to have to rent which is very expensive life and your working for some lazy person to make money off your back then. another layer of slavery. landlording needs to be abolished for a better society, a 1 house per person rule needs to be implaced and then due to houses not being brought up willy nilly by landlords who already have 1000 houses to their name, there would be less demand of buying houses so the prices would drop to a level in which a person can buy a house with just 1 year worth of work for once, like the boomers used to be able to do when they was younger before they ruined it all for everyone else lol

and to think even with this people would still accuse me of being a tory or a right winger lol

EVERYONE I know who's made a bit of surplus cash seems to want to go into the landlord business. 

anyone who lives here... outside cheap workers drive the wages down... this has a negative effect on anyone that lives here.... if you want a flood of cheap workers, you are driving down everyones wages here and making life hard for anyone here regardless of their skin colour. your making black and muslim people poorer with your desire for mass cheap imported slave labour but you dont care because youd rather virtue signal all your life instead of support the betterment of peoples actual lives lol

honestly its in the same set of lefty arguments as banning landlords..... we should make it so everyone can only have 1 house so that landlords dont keep driving house costs up and forcing us to all live in expensive rent houses.... you see its the same thing... why cant you see its the same? we just want cheaper cost of living, and you seem to want higher cost of living... this is a socialist issue and your against it while claiming to be the socialist side...

So now we have it.

So who is this endangered indigenous Brit we are talking about here?

You see I am confused. Normans, Scots, Vikings, Celts? All of whom were migrants at one time.

Those more recently like Patel who were welcomed here in the first place because it was too oppressive at home, and who now want to pull up the drawbridge? Other ex colonials? The ones that Theresa May so loved? 

Who is this indigenous flora in such dire need of protection? Who are they? You mean the Europeans and other furriners who looked after my brexiter mother in her final months? 

Well I gate to burstbyour ballon, but there will be still more immigrants coming, depending on with whom Boris makes his second-ratevtrade deals. From Hong Kong, India, or with whom the trade deals get made. Daresay the indigenous farmers will be delighted too

Does BBC News and Sky News give airtime to the opposing argument?

If flags are so silly and it's stupid to put on display, why is it a hate crime to burn one?

Yes, he was. For almost his entire political life, until he became leader of the Labour Party and had to dumb down his beliefs so as not to offend the woke globalists and student snowflakes in the party. That's why he was missing in action during the referendum.