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They probably would have called the civil rights movement 'woke' if the term existed back then. The same for the sufragettes, and those who fought for an end to the persecution of gay people. I dare say the recognition that those of us with mental health and mental illness issues now have is partly the result if progressive/woke people who worked to change the things about society they didn't like, the rules they didn't agree with.

It wasn't woke people who made the rules. It was the like of Murdoch, the likes of Andrew Neil and others in the media who helped dictate how people were treated, who helped decide the language with which people were referred to. And now there's a dawning culture or respect and recognition for people's differences the likes of Neil want to treat it as a bad thing. 

What have the right wingers like Neil done for society? What have angry, reactionary, right wingers done for the world?

I'm not 'woke' but I know which side is more likely to take us forward as a society and which side is more likely to take us backwards. And it certainly isn't the old red faced potatriot going on about how 'You can't say anything anymore!'. 

Oh, and while he's playing it off as being about countering the 'mainstream' 'left' media now, HE WAS PART OF IT UNTIL JUST A YEAR OR SO AGO. If it was so bad, so left-wing, so terribly PC why did he stick around so long? Why did he work for the BBC, of all organisations?

Because he's a fraud looking to take your money by selling you ads in between bits about what immigrants are getting that you're not and a segment from Katie Hopkins about how masks are useless and as long as you walk round with your head stuck up your own **** you needn't worry about catching Covid!

We need to be better than this. Men like Neil seek to profit from the divides in our society, not heal them. GB News will not bring the country together, it will drive us further apart. The ONLY THING keeping the 'Elites' in power is US. 

The sooner we stop letting these rats turn us against each other, arguing about who the biggest shits are, the sooner we can stop them flushing us all down the bog.

That 100,000 death toll is made up of all kinds. Black, white, rich, poor, right, left. The one thing they all have in common is a government and a system that doesn't give a *** about them.

the right isnt angry.... the left is angry, if you say anything they will scream at you and seek to end your life.... thta is angry... the right isnt angry, infact im rather left win in my ideology and lifestyle, but yet i found more acceptance and tolerance in the right than the left... the left is full of bitter hate and bile and they dont tolerate anything at all, all you find on lefty servers and sites is white men and white women, because they are not tolerant, they cannot tolerate any other view of anyone at all but themselves..... i enter right wing server and there is a massive diverse amount of people even muslims there are tolerated that say they hate the west and pointing out how its depraved and collapsing now..... funny the right is more tolerant and can tolerate enemies and the opinion of enemies in their spaces and discuss with them... the left cannot tolerate anyone but the very few privileged elite white rich boys....

You bring up the left being angry, and I'd agree with you-to a point. Like how left wing/progressive/'woke' (whatever term you prefer) got angry about slavery, about racial inequality, about sex inequality, about worker's rights (the reason we have paid holidays and breaks and things we take for granted). The left gets angry about these things, and the right tells them to shut up and deal with it. 

Inevitably, the left are proven to be right, but not until after all the protests by the likes of the KKK or EDL or whatever other group of frothing at the mouth head the balls are representing the right at the time of each development. And that's what they are-developments. You can accept them and adapt or you can become a relic of a bygone age, relying on sleaze bags like Donald Trump to represent your views and count among your allies white nationalists and proud racists. You may not be these things but you stand alongside those who are if you position yourself to the right, these days. 

You talk about the left only tolerating a few privileged elite white boys but is it not the right to elected the Tories? Led by old Etonians like Boris Johnson, and formerly his great chum David Cameron and fellow old bean George Osbourne? And have they not done the same in the US? Electing Donald Trump, a man so associated with money and (supposed) luxury that he may as well have his face on the dollar bill? Back to the UK, it's the left who campaigned for Corbyn to lead, where the centre and right wing prefer privileged Tory in disguise Keir Starmer.

I think you need to educate yourself on who it is who actually represents your views best because you seem to be quite confused. 

As for the left wing all being white and only surrounded by other white people that is, again, complete crap. I have relatives who are mixed race. I don't need to go on a forum to find a token minority I can use as an example of how my side isn't racist. My side generally isn't accused of being racist and doesn't have to make such gestures. Why do you think that might be?

Caelus said:

it opens more doors for more possibilities.... in the EU we wasnt allowed to make any deals outside it or anything, the EU we was funding them to tie our hands all for the sake of protectionism to protect the other EU states from the competition independance would allow us...

Evidence please !

Caelus said:

yet your getting lost in opinion too, talk facts, what benefits did we have in the EU? ..... and also note that you cant say funding because we funded that and they gave us like 10% of our own money back and claimed its them funding us when its only but a portion of what we gave them... we funded them... we didnt get free movement anyway as we was opted out of the free travel zone... so what benefits did we get? ....nothing....

Evidence ?

it opens more doors for more possibilities.... in the EU we wasnt allowed to make any deals outside it or anything, the EU we was funding them to tie our hands all for the sake of protectionism to protect the other EU states from the competition independance would allow us.... now we can make all manner of trades and the EU doesnt like it one bit, their main arguments are all about fairness and all about wanting to force us to stick to the same prices they have and not undercut them in any way. they are afraid of competition, they are a protectionist racket that is all... why should we fund that when it makes the economy stagnant? ... a healthy economy needs competition.... we do both us and them a favour by leaving, protectionist rackets all need to be wiped out, we need competition again, not stagnation of a scared cowardly protectionist racket that wants to tie everyones hands and hold everyone back for fear that one may out do everyone else on trade and harm the whole.

yet your getting lost in opinion too, talk facts, what benefits did we have in the EU? ..... and also note that you cant say funding because we funded that and they gave us like 10% of our own money back and claimed its them funding us when its only but a portion of what we gave them... we funded them... we didnt get free movement anyway as we was opted out of the free travel zone... so what benefits did we get? ....nothing.... therefore what is the use in paying them for nothing aside from getting 10% of what we give them back? why should we hemorage money when that money could have instead gone to fund many other things in this country, such as the NHS... or anything... such as new nukes.. such as increased education... anything... but most likely will end up being wasted on bribes to northern ireland as usual as our government always likes wasting so if they cant waste it on the EU they will waste it on some other shite.... but whats the point in having any waste at all? lets *** them all off and stop heamoraging money to sketchy organisations we dont even need to be part of

Hmm.

Did you hear a benefit mentioned other than assumed I jury to national pride? 

Cn you name a single benefit to leaving the EU?

There was the best trade deal better. A whole lot better than second-rate neat from either Australia or the US.

But you are welcome to your chlorinated chicken. 

As for precious holidays, well no, it is more about losing the right to live, work, buy property, and trade without endless red tape.

But why make life so easy. 

You're getting lost in opinion mate when we are talking about facts. Name the benefits of leaving the EU please ? 

can you name a single benefit to joining the EU for staying in it? .... you cant.... and it ruined our nation when we joined.... the cost of living drastically increased and even charles de gaul said we just economically killed our own nation by joining as we got cheaper goods from the commonwealth than we could do from the EU... it ruined us joining the EU and held us back.... there was no benefit to remaining nor joining in the first place.... why do you think theres a benefit to remaining? because you put your own precious foreign holidays above the fate and wellbeing of everyone else in this country? lol

Not that I understand much you say, but are you saying, somehow Brexit has been a success ? The loss of billions in trade every single week since it ? Are you saying that is what you voted for ? To punish your own country ? 

Let me me put it straight to you ; Can you name one single benefit of leaving the EU ? 

but yet all the media hated brexit and was the same as yours and his views.... so i dont understand that at all lol your the one regurgitating media crap and not thinking for yourself at any point in time haha while the rest of the country fecked you all off and voted how they voted and you still believed the media crap when they then tried to convince you that you was the majority ....and.... to... stop the steal? lol

You are quite right but it seems your greater knowledge and insight over a long period of time ( obviously) on things from a moral, realistically and sane viewpoint will be lost to the knee-jerk, reactionary types who regurgitate and repeat everything they are told by the right-wing, privately owned media. Full stop.  

sorry but you need to be corrected now, all your doing is spewing out hate filled bile and fallacies all the time. you speak politics but your unable to actually speak politics without bringing up insults to ones character rather than addressing the policies... you cant address the policies anyway because you know naught of politics and if you did youd realise you cant address any policies at all because labour and tory policies are pretty damn well copying off each other these days to the point they are the same. 

again with the EDL/BNP thing (KKK is american and is illegal here and never has existed here by the way so perhaps your too americanised by the internet?).... nick griffon votes labour now... the neo-naz... bad guys... all vote labour now... and what is labour doing? they are marching around london with banners saying "hitler was right" and attacking jewish people.... you think thats good? you think thats ok and the good side that cares for people? 

then you speak of rich people but yet your remain side was the side of the rich elite, the side of big business interests... the side whining about the economy... we brexit voters said to hell with the economy! brexit was a disgruntled peasants rebelion tossing the table over of the rich elites game. it was a message to say that we the common folk cant just be screwed around with and will use our voices and power to destroy this entire country if they dont even things out and play fair.

and when did i claim my side were patriots? i didnt..... only americans claim that so you need to get the hell off the internet and cool down instead of speaking to me as if im someone else. yet gain the internet has filled you with american politics that isnt relevant to the uk...

and as for sanctions, puhlease.... i have been sanctioned so many times, not only that i got kicked off welfare entirely and made to repay money that i didnt even have lol all because your the one that voted david cameron in... you lot, you nasty remoaners that only care for what, you fancy privileged european holidays? you sold us out for fucking 100 years all so you can have holiday privileges?

the most corrupt government will be the one you want, the one that ignores the people and does whatever the *** it wants, the road to hell is paved with good intent by the way, it always has been.... hitler didnt come around wanting to do evil but to better his peoples lives who were starving in the streets and facing hyper inflation, be careful what you turn into bud, hitler too called himself a socialist and was very authoritarian to the point of ignoring the peoples will 

now tell me, what is the government you want? which party? and what policies do they have? what will they do? ... and dont tell me its labour, because their policies they stated at last election were ***! they promised less cash to the NHS than the tories.... so you surely cant support that cant you? unless you speak without actually knowing politics and just go by whatever the media and loud activists scream out? ya know the loud activists scream without knowing anything right?

Your belief that one "side" is better than the other is touchingly naiive.

Your descriptions of people who think differently are as remorselessly dismissive and crudely aggressive as I have come to expect from those who identify as "left" over 40+ years of observation. Zero tolerance.

Put your case, sure, but you could perhaps make some attempt to be a little less  needlessly offensive to other people who think or vote differently to you.

It does help to remember that we are all in this life together, and here you are with those who you should feel some kinship towards rather than trying to alienate the approximately 50% who do not share your strong political opinions.

How were/are the Tories on the left's side? 

The Tories are the reason we even had a vote on membership of Europe because David Cameron decided it would be wise to try and appeal to the lunatics who voted for UKIP and bring then on-side. Which is why we have the situation we do, now. The Tories pandered to the right and when they won the support of the likes of people who used to vote BNP Labour got scared and started trying to be a bit more nationalist and flag-wavey, too (in case you haven't noticed, both sides think you're stupid enough to be manipulated by a flag and words like 'patriotism', it comes back to that old reliance on slogans and emotive symbolism. They could wrap a turd in Union Jack design wrapping and some people would buy it and insist it was chocolate despite the bad smell. 

As for the areas which used to vote Labour but voted Tory in protest at being called stupid, I'm from the North and I never took offense (primarily because if they said it, I didn't hear about it) but I would agree that those who voted Tory in protest of something like this made a very foolish decision. How is that working out for the places who voted Tory, by the way? Are they looking out for the working class voters? Or are they closing services? Have you looked into it, checked that you haven't, in fact, been had, and fallen for the lies of a man sacked for lying, who surrounds himself with corrupt, lying scumbags. Heard the latest about Matt Hancock, yet?

The reality is that politics, in recent years, has gone the way of the right. They have an advantage both in Parliament and in society, because they target the sections of society willing to ignore facts in favour of feelings. 

As for your 'they're your guys-not ours!' Stuff it's starting to sound like most of your issues revolve around Brexit, and if that is indeed the case we have a lot less in common than you think.

We may agree that society is broken, that the system needs to change, but I dare say the changes I'd make would be far more noticeable than those you would make. From your posts, I can only assume they would be based mostly around 'taking our country back' and making sure 'brexit means brexit' and all the nationalist, trannie-bashing stuff which seems to evoke a response from you.

You've mentioned that you've had a post deleted because of offense caused, but rather than take responsibility, acknowledge that this is a forum for autistic adults from all walks of life-including ethnic minorities and LGBTQ people, and adjust your language accordingly, you expect to spew all that stuff without someone coming along and pointing out to you why you're wrong. When that happens, you take offense and claim you're being silenced. You're not. You're being corrected, and because you don't have anything to come back with, because the facts are not on your side, you are left to either accept you are wrong and adapt your views or double-down, claim the facts are wrong or driven by leftie conspiracies and jump in bed with others who agree. The likes of the EDL, the KKK, or whatever other politically-minded racist hooligans are saying what you think, and feel. 

You can play the victim but you're not the victim. The victims are the people who had to go through demeaning tests performed by a French IT company to prove they were diabled. The victims are the ones pushed onto the street as a result of JC sanctions brought about by a target-driven environment cultivated by the Tories. The ones who have to use food banks. They're the victims. You're just someone who voted for the people who did that to them for your own reasons.

But you keep focusing on Brexit and ignoring all of that. Sunlit uplands, and all that. How's that going, by the way? I imagine you and your mates have been out in the fruit fields doing your bit for Queen and Country, today? Making sure all that fruit doesn't rot?

If you want to throw your lot in with the right, prop up the most corrupt government we've ever had and claim your side are the patriots when it is the right who have presided over thousands of avoidable deaths then I'm going to have an issue with that, and if that counts as oppression to you I'd recommend reading up about oppression, and taking note of who it is who usually does the oppressing. 

As for Labour, if you'd paid attention you'd realise that the party is in dissarray precisely because left wing voters like myself refuse to accept another puppet, another establishment stooge with a posh voice and private education. We don't just hand our support to whoever is the biggest 'character' like the centre and right seem content to do, these days. 

If you find yourself hearing a curious jingling sound don't worry, it's just loose change moving about the pockets of the rich in which you reside. 

and as for the thing i keep calling "the left" i shouldnt call it that because they have betrayed everything the left stands for as soon as they took to violence... as soon as they took to identity politics which is rather segregational and decided to use all sorts of identity as a excuse to commit violence to others. so muchso that the EDL leader nick griffon actually is now a labour voter! lol

so much so that the left wave palestine flags and say stuff that a certain nasty person from 1940s was right and attack a certain religious ethnicity for the sake of palestine, palestine of which that nasty man from the 40s actually supported and they worshipped him as a god on earth.... yeah, the modern left are not really the classical good left, they are the suspicious infiltrators that once called themselves socialist in the 40s

im pretty left wing myself so i dont hate the left. i hate unruly mob violence.... and yes blm here did actually start needless violence, there was plenty of vids of it and they are the ones that lack empathy, they laughed at a female police officer being knocked off her horse and wished death upon her and were about to stamp her face in on the ground, they went out of their way to set police horse boxs on fire with horses in them resulting in the death of the horses. they threw a brick at a horse nose and broken it and started fights everywhere and even stabbed someone to death. that cannot be allowed in our society.

i agree with all the changes needed by the left, i mean why wouldnt i? they benefit me... i dont agree with making everything about race though because then your making a more race based racist society. that stuff needs to be brought to rest and we need to view all as humans. using race as a political tool is going to lead to a very bad future full of harm to others.

oh and as for brexit, that was always rather left wing, and both labour and the snp were the brexit parties of the 1970s eu referendum..... its so left wing even the uk communist party backed brexit.... were all being told a pack of lies by the media to use and manipulate each other into hate. why would they keep calling our country racist and stirring that pot up when we are the most accepting nation on the earth which is proven by just going to another country and seeing how your not accepted at all? but yet everyone is accepted in the west.... every other nation on the world is a ethno state but the media would spread hate against our accepting multicultural nation as if were the racist ethno state? ....media is sus....

It would be nice if the leader of the opposition said things and every now and then the PM (regardless of who is in power) would say ''Oh what a jolly good idea, thank you leader of the opposition I'll get that set up. It never happens. Then in the next manifesto you see it written as it was their idea all along. Seen it both ways.

Diplomacy and lobbying don't always work.

Now I do find it interesting about Brexit. I have friends on both sides of that divide. I asked for examples of what laws the EU imposed that they would want to change. I didn't get a single reply. On the matter of visas etc I pointed out that movement works both ways and if Polish plumbers can't come here nor can retired office workers go and buy a house in the Algarve and visit whenever they want. I was told I was putting my friendship at risk. I don't know of any violence by the remain side.

So was the separation of remain and leave on Facebook organised by some algorithmic magic preventing me from seeing opposite views? The only posts or answers I saw on Facebook from Leave were literally full of spelling mistakes and saying really illogical statements with thinly veiled xenophobia. Could it be that there were some sane replies that I was never allowed to see? I wouldn't be surprised data mining and algorithmic manipulation is a big part of elections these days, most likely financed by China Russia and Panama.

The Black Lives Matter demos in the UK were without violence. If any happened it was as a response to police on horseback with truncheons etc, the demonstrators were not violent.

The same is not true about BNP and EDL demos. 

I gave up trying to understand politics in the US. 

I don't like violence, I don't like angry mobs, but I also don't like apathy.

One thing though is that in my opinion, you hate the left and I hate the right, and that's because we were manipulated by someone else. I don't hate people who don't like Joni Mitchell, I can like people who like things I don't like. I have been married to two people, neither of them have had the same religion as me. It wasn't a problem. My father was a conservative voter I didn't hate him. The UK, France Hungary, Germany, the US, and so many more countries have been divided, stirred into hating by forces they can't see. I'd like to know who those forces are, answers on a postcard to the usual address.

And I quite admire yours, Mr "Plastic".

I really admire your fortitude.  

i find your actually correct on that.
all of my ideas of want of change are rather very left wing ideas..... but my ideas of civility and not being a douchebag are right wing ideas and they stop me from going out smashing peoples heads in for want of change like some type of entitled violent child.

i believe a middle ground is better.... one where you want change like the left do.... but one where instead of taking to violence and destruction you instead do it peacefully and perhaps take to conversation and winning people with words and politics instead..... gee its almost as if thats how the system was meant to work anyway before people instead got subverted into thinking violence and ruination was the only way lol

look at brexit again. the people behind brexit wanted change, the system and government and big business didnt want this brexit change.... so much so tthat the gov and the powers that be had us think brexit was unpopular and would lose by 90% to remain.... but did the people behind brexit need to riot and burn down cities? ... no... and if they did they indeed would have lost by 90% because no one likes that behaviour, it personally effects and ruins the voters lives.... so the brexit side instead sat down and offered us a cup of tea and politely talked to us and won us over with words.... while the remain side then lost their ***, got enraged, insulted everyone and if they so much as heard you was on the fence or didnt know which side to vote for theyd verbally attack you and in some cases physically attack you and this put people off. you see, if you want to win people to your side and get change, you must first treat the people like humans and try to win them to your side. rioting and violence and hatred, it doesnt win anything lol you can get change, but it requires you to win support, and not alienate a single person what so ever, you have to aim to try win the other side over and have them become your friend, that is how politics works, rioting puts people off, negative effect on peoples lives like setting their shops or workplace or even house on fire would turn the people against your cause. why would they vote the way the people that burned their livelyhood down wants them to vote? if anything theyd want revenge on such people and vote opposite.

i find your actually correct on that.
all of my ideas of want of change are rather very left wing ideas..... but my ideas of civility and not being a douchebag are right wing ideas and they stop me from going out smashing peoples heads in for want of change like some type of entitled violent child.

i believe a middle ground is better.... one where you want change like the left do.... but one where instead of taking to violence and destruction you instead do it peacefully and perhaps take to conversation and winning people with words and politics instead..... gee its almost as if thats how the system was meant to work anyway before people instead got subverted into thinking violence and ruination was the only way lol

look at brexit again. the people behind brexit wanted change, the system and government and big business didnt want this brexit change.... so much so tthat the gov and the powers that be had us think brexit was unpopular and would lose by 90% to remain.... but did the people behind brexit need to riot and burn down cities? ... no... and if they did they indeed would have lost by 90% because no one likes that behaviour, it personally effects and ruins the voters lives.... so the brexit side instead sat down and offered us a cup of tea and politely talked to us and won us over with words.... while the remain side then lost their ***, got enraged, insulted everyone and if they so much as heard you was on the fence or didnt know which side to vote for theyd verbally attack you and in some cases physically attack you and this put people off. you see, if you want to win people to your side and get change, you must first treat the people like humans and try to win them to your side. rioting and violence and hatred, it doesnt win anything lol you can get change, but it requires you to win support, and not alienate a single person what so ever, you have to aim to try win the other side over and have them become your friend, that is how politics works, rioting puts people off, negative effect on peoples lives like setting their shops or workplace or even house on fire would turn the people against your cause. why would they vote the way the people that burned their livelyhood down wants them to vote? if anything theyd want revenge on such people and vote opposite.

and as for the thing i keep calling "the left" i shouldnt call it that because they have betrayed everything the left stands for as soon as they took to violence... as soon as they took to identity politics which is rather segregational and decided to use all sorts of identity as a excuse to commit violence to others. so muchso that the EDL leader nick griffon actually is now a labour voter! lol

so much so that the left wave palestine flags and say stuff that a certain nasty person from 1940s was right and attack a certain religious ethnicity for the sake of palestine, palestine of which that nasty man from the 40s actually supported and they worshipped him as a god on earth.... yeah, the modern left are not really the classical good left, they are the suspicious infiltrators that once called themselves socialist in the 40s

im pretty left wing myself so i dont hate the left. i hate unruly mob violence.... and yes blm here did actually start needless violence, there was plenty of vids of it and they are the ones that lack empathy, they laughed at a female police officer being knocked off her horse and wished death upon her and were about to stamp her face in on the ground, they went out of their way to set police horse boxs on fire with horses in them resulting in the death of the horses. they threw a brick at a horse nose and broken it and started fights everywhere and even stabbed someone to death. that cannot be allowed in our society.

i agree with all the changes needed by the left, i mean why wouldnt i? they benefit me... i dont agree with making everything about race though because then your making a more race based racist society. that stuff needs to be brought to rest and we need to view all as humans. using race as a political tool is going to lead to a very bad future full of harm to others.

oh and as for brexit, that was always rather left wing, and both labour and the snp were the brexit parties of the 1970s eu referendum..... its so left wing even the uk communist party backed brexit.... were all being told a pack of lies by the media to use and manipulate each other into hate. why would they keep calling our country racist and stirring that pot up when we are the most accepting nation on the earth which is proven by just going to another country and seeing how your not accepted at all? but yet everyone is accepted in the west.... every other nation on the world is a ethno state but the media would spread hate against our accepting multicultural nation as if were the racist ethno state? ....media is sus....

It would be nice if the leader of the opposition said things and every now and then the PM (regardless of who is in power) would say ''Oh what a jolly good idea, thank you leader of the opposition I'll get that set up. It never happens. Then in the next manifesto you see it written as it was their idea all along. Seen it both ways.

Diplomacy and lobbying don't always work.

Now I do find it interesting about Brexit. I have friends on both sides of that divide. I asked for examples of what laws the EU imposed that they would want to change. I didn't get a single reply. On the matter of visas etc I pointed out that movement works both ways and if Polish plumbers can't come here nor can retired office workers go and buy a house in the Algarve and visit whenever they want. I was told I was putting my friendship at risk. I don't know of any violence by the remain side.

So was the separation of remain and leave on Facebook organised by some algorithmic magic preventing me from seeing opposite views? The only posts or answers I saw on Facebook from Leave were literally full of spelling mistakes and saying really illogical statements with thinly veiled xenophobia. Could it be that there were some sane replies that I was never allowed to see? I wouldn't be surprised data mining and algorithmic manipulation is a big part of elections these days, most likely financed by China Russia and Panama.

The Black Lives Matter demos in the UK were without violence. If any happened it was as a response to police on horseback with truncheons etc, the demonstrators were not violent.

The same is not true about BNP and EDL demos. 

I gave up trying to understand politics in the US. 

I don't like violence, I don't like angry mobs, but I also don't like apathy.

One thing though is that in my opinion, you hate the left and I hate the right, and that's because we were manipulated by someone else. I don't hate people who don't like Joni Mitchell, I can like people who like things I don't like. I have been married to two people, neither of them have had the same religion as me. It wasn't a problem. My father was a conservative voter I didn't hate him. The UK, France Hungary, Germany, the US, and so many more countries have been divided, stirred into hating by forces they can't see. I'd like to know who those forces are, answers on a postcard to the usual address.

And I quite admire yours, Mr "Plastic".

I really admire your fortitude.