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They probably would have called the civil rights movement 'woke' if the term existed back then. The same for the sufragettes, and those who fought for an end to the persecution of gay people. I dare say the recognition that those of us with mental health and mental illness issues now have is partly the result if progressive/woke people who worked to change the things about society they didn't like, the rules they didn't agree with.

It wasn't woke people who made the rules. It was the like of Murdoch, the likes of Andrew Neil and others in the media who helped dictate how people were treated, who helped decide the language with which people were referred to. And now there's a dawning culture or respect and recognition for people's differences the likes of Neil want to treat it as a bad thing. 

What have the right wingers like Neil done for society? What have angry, reactionary, right wingers done for the world?

I'm not 'woke' but I know which side is more likely to take us forward as a society and which side is more likely to take us backwards. And it certainly isn't the old red faced potatriot going on about how 'You can't say anything anymore!'. 

Oh, and while he's playing it off as being about countering the 'mainstream' 'left' media now, HE WAS PART OF IT UNTIL JUST A YEAR OR SO AGO. If it was so bad, so left-wing, so terribly PC why did he stick around so long? Why did he work for the BBC, of all organisations?

Because he's a fraud looking to take your money by selling you ads in between bits about what immigrants are getting that you're not and a segment from Katie Hopkins about how masks are useless and as long as you walk round with your head stuck up your own **** you needn't worry about catching Covid!

We need to be better than this. Men like Neil seek to profit from the divides in our society, not heal them. GB News will not bring the country together, it will drive us further apart. The ONLY THING keeping the 'Elites' in power is US. 

The sooner we stop letting these rats turn us against each other, arguing about who the biggest shits are, the sooner we can stop them flushing us all down the bog.

That 100,000 death toll is made up of all kinds. Black, white, rich, poor, right, left. The one thing they all have in common is a government and a system that doesn't give a *** about them.

the right isnt angry.... the left is angry, if you say anything they will scream at you and seek to end your life.... thta is angry... the right isnt angry, infact im rather left win in my ideology and lifestyle, but yet i found more acceptance and tolerance in the right than the left... the left is full of bitter hate and bile and they dont tolerate anything at all, all you find on lefty servers and sites is white men and white women, because they are not tolerant, they cannot tolerate any other view of anyone at all but themselves..... i enter right wing server and there is a massive diverse amount of people even muslims there are tolerated that say they hate the west and pointing out how its depraved and collapsing now..... funny the right is more tolerant and can tolerate enemies and the opinion of enemies in their spaces and discuss with them... the left cannot tolerate anyone but the very few privileged elite white rich boys....

You bring up the left being angry, and I'd agree with you-to a point. Like how left wing/progressive/'woke' (whatever term you prefer) got angry about slavery, about racial inequality, about sex inequality, about worker's rights (the reason we have paid holidays and breaks and things we take for granted). The left gets angry about these things, and the right tells them to shut up and deal with it. 

Inevitably, the left are proven to be right, but not until after all the protests by the likes of the KKK or EDL or whatever other group of frothing at the mouth head the balls are representing the right at the time of each development. And that's what they are-developments. You can accept them and adapt or you can become a relic of a bygone age, relying on sleaze bags like Donald Trump to represent your views and count among your allies white nationalists and proud racists. You may not be these things but you stand alongside those who are if you position yourself to the right, these days. 

You talk about the left only tolerating a few privileged elite white boys but is it not the right to elected the Tories? Led by old Etonians like Boris Johnson, and formerly his great chum David Cameron and fellow old bean George Osbourne? And have they not done the same in the US? Electing Donald Trump, a man so associated with money and (supposed) luxury that he may as well have his face on the dollar bill? Back to the UK, it's the left who campaigned for Corbyn to lead, where the centre and right wing prefer privileged Tory in disguise Keir Starmer.

I think you need to educate yourself on who it is who actually represents your views best because you seem to be quite confused. 

As for the left wing all being white and only surrounded by other white people that is, again, complete crap. I have relatives who are mixed race. I don't need to go on a forum to find a token minority I can use as an example of how my side isn't racist. My side generally isn't accused of being racist and doesn't have to make such gestures. Why do you think that might be?

What were those benefits of leaving  the EU again ? Let me ask you this question ; Wye did you vote leave ? What information did you read ? Provide me with the facts ?  

working on your list?
let me guess free movement would be on your list despite us not being in the free movement zone because you dont know a damn thing about our membership with the EU? lol

honestly i think you should scratch your name off the NHS list because the EU wanted to destroy that and wants to take it away from us... you should probably leave the country tbh, the EU is right there for you still. oh you wanna leach off the benefits of the UK? but yet the EU want to destroy it all and ruin life here and your ok with that and ignorant of it all? you are literally the turkey that voted for christmas in that your voting for a foreign state to destroy us and everything we stand for. the EU hate human rights and the free health care we have.

Still waiting on that list ?

ok

your deflecting.... you have lost the argument and are crying going in circle... i gave you benefits, the ability to freely trade unstifled alone globally is a benefit that far outweighs the EU on its own... you have yet to give me a single benefit of remaining in the EU yourself because you fucking dont have one because you dont even know how the EU works which you have proved... the EU is a restricted trade pact, that is all... it is harmful.... its like a economic suicide pact that if any one of the EU cant make it then no single european nation should be able to make it, thats what it was about, it held us back, there isnt a single benefit to being a part of that as its a suicide pact. leaving it is a bigger benefit on its own than being part of it as we now have free reign of global trade without being restricted, and that alone will get us cheaper goods than we could ever get. your just gonna go in circles all the time, why dont you instead research how it works and look into this *** and perhaps try give me a advantage of remaining yourself because you seem to have nothing but questions and i have answers and yet you ignore them and ask more because that is your losing sides tactics, to ignore and ask as if it hasnt been answered. this is why your side will be politically disowned and ignored and you will lose any hope of representation and get left behind because of your inability to yourself debate properly or even know the thing your debating on or advance a topic. all you can do is go in circles while ignorantly defending a thing you know naught about.

Give us a list of all the benefits of leaving the EU, did you forget about that ? Isn't that the main question ? No point in pointing elsewhere , confirm the benefits of leaving the  EU ? We are out of the EU now. Tell us the benefits ? We have lost billions per week so far on trade to the EU so where is the logic in leaving ? 

now, please go away, learn how the EU works, then come back and we can have a propper debate without you embarrassing yourself and speaking of things you know very little of.

perhaps when you learn how the EU works you will even change your mind on membership and see why we all voted out of it in the first place... god and you remainers called us brexiteers all uneducated and ignorant and yet you voted on the EU without knowing how it damn well worked? for god sake!

Caelus said:

t opens more doors for more possibilities.... i

Such as ? 

Caelus said:

in the EU we wasnt allowed to make any deals outside it or anything, the EU we was funding them to tie our hands all for the sake of protectionism to protect the other EU states from the competition independance would allow us.... now we can make all manner of trades and the EU doesnt like it one bit, their main arguments are all about fairness and all about wanting to force us to stick to the same prices they have and not undercut them in any way. they are afraid of competition, they are a protectionist racket that is all... why should we fund that when it makes the economy stagnant? ... a healthy economy needs competition.... we do both us and them a favour by leaving, protectionist rackets all need to be wiped out, we need competition again, not stagnation of a scared cowardly protectionist racket that wants to tie everyones hands and hold everyone back for fear that one may out do everyone else on trade and harm the whole.

Evidence  or coherence  please ?

evidence? do you not know what the EU is? .... did you not know that members of the EU are not allowed to do deals outside the EU trading block and any outside deal has to be organised and negotiated by the EU itself on behalf of all members? .... thats a core part of the EU and you didnt know that and want evidence for that? ... if you didnt know that why are you even discussing our membership with them as thats something you should have known before even discussing this...

Caelus said:

it opens more doors for more possibilities.... in the EU we wasnt allowed to make any deals outside it or anything, the EU we was funding them to tie our hands all for the sake of protectionism to protect the other EU states from the competition independance would allow us...

Evidence please !

Caelus said:

yet your getting lost in opinion too, talk facts, what benefits did we have in the EU? ..... and also note that you cant say funding because we funded that and they gave us like 10% of our own money back and claimed its them funding us when its only but a portion of what we gave them... we funded them... we didnt get free movement anyway as we was opted out of the free travel zone... so what benefits did we get? ....nothing....

Evidence ?

it opens more doors for more possibilities.... in the EU we wasnt allowed to make any deals outside it or anything, the EU we was funding them to tie our hands all for the sake of protectionism to protect the other EU states from the competition independance would allow us.... now we can make all manner of trades and the EU doesnt like it one bit, their main arguments are all about fairness and all about wanting to force us to stick to the same prices they have and not undercut them in any way. they are afraid of competition, they are a protectionist racket that is all... why should we fund that when it makes the economy stagnant? ... a healthy economy needs competition.... we do both us and them a favour by leaving, protectionist rackets all need to be wiped out, we need competition again, not stagnation of a scared cowardly protectionist racket that wants to tie everyones hands and hold everyone back for fear that one may out do everyone else on trade and harm the whole.

yet your getting lost in opinion too, talk facts, what benefits did we have in the EU? ..... and also note that you cant say funding because we funded that and they gave us like 10% of our own money back and claimed its them funding us when its only but a portion of what we gave them... we funded them... we didnt get free movement anyway as we was opted out of the free travel zone... so what benefits did we get? ....nothing.... therefore what is the use in paying them for nothing aside from getting 10% of what we give them back? why should we hemorage money when that money could have instead gone to fund many other things in this country, such as the NHS... or anything... such as new nukes.. such as increased education... anything... but most likely will end up being wasted on bribes to northern ireland as usual as our government always likes wasting so if they cant waste it on the EU they will waste it on some other shite.... but whats the point in having any waste at all? lets *** them all off and stop heamoraging money to sketchy organisations we dont even need to be part of

Hmm.

Did you hear a benefit mentioned other than assumed I jury to national pride? 

Cn you name a single benefit to leaving the EU?

There was the best trade deal better. A whole lot better than second-rate neat from either Australia or the US.

But you are welcome to your chlorinated chicken. 

As for precious holidays, well no, it is more about losing the right to live, work, buy property, and trade without endless red tape.

But why make life so easy. 

You're getting lost in opinion mate when we are talking about facts. Name the benefits of leaving the EU please ? 

can you name a single benefit to joining the EU for staying in it? .... you cant.... and it ruined our nation when we joined.... the cost of living drastically increased and even charles de gaul said we just economically killed our own nation by joining as we got cheaper goods from the commonwealth than we could do from the EU... it ruined us joining the EU and held us back.... there was no benefit to remaining nor joining in the first place.... why do you think theres a benefit to remaining? because you put your own precious foreign holidays above the fate and wellbeing of everyone else in this country? lol

Not that I understand much you say, but are you saying, somehow Brexit has been a success ? The loss of billions in trade every single week since it ? Are you saying that is what you voted for ? To punish your own country ? 

Let me me put it straight to you ; Can you name one single benefit of leaving the EU ? 

but yet all the media hated brexit and was the same as yours and his views.... so i dont understand that at all lol your the one regurgitating media crap and not thinking for yourself at any point in time haha while the rest of the country fecked you all off and voted how they voted and you still believed the media crap when they then tried to convince you that you was the majority ....and.... to... stop the steal? lol

but yet all the media hated brexit and was the same as yours and his views.... so i dont understand that at all lol your the one regurgitating media crap and not thinking for yourself at any point in time haha while the rest of the country fecked you all off and voted how they voted and you still believed the media crap when they then tried to convince you that you was the majority ....and.... to... stop the steal? lol

why dont you give us any facts? all you have done is ask for things and we gave them then you cried like a little baby and asked for them again.... but yet we ask you for these very same things back and you keep ignoring because you dont have any answer where as we do... and that is why your side lost.... you need a answer, we had answers, you cried and screamed.... we asked you the same questions in return and you had no answer at all and ignored and continued to fire questions we already answered back... this is why your side lost on this thing...

and yeah so you agree thats capitalism, but capitalism needs to change and is bad right? you guys supposed to be socialist.... but yet you voted remain because the big bankers told you so and the government told you to vote remain to protect the economy, oh how very capitalist of you! lol you was supposed to be socialist though? .... what the hell happened to the left! lmao ...if you was true socialist youd have voted brexit because the banks told you to vote remain and the tories told you to vote remain for "muh economy!" lol if you was true socialist youd have told them to hell with their economy and voted for brexit for its the only big change and disruption wed ever be able to do and we certainly need a fecking big shakeup didnt we? socialism is supposed to be all about change..... but you who claim to be socialist opposed the change and voted for the economy and bankers instead.... i feel you lot should give up the title of socialist now for your not that, you are literal capitalist tories who were too frightened of change. you voted for status quo and bankers lol while we brexiteers voted for change and a shake up and were pissed at how things are and grasped at any change to shake the pot. for that is true socialism, to seek change, to use disgruntled peasants and use how *** life is for us to attain any change.

ow is all this anti-Brexit, identity politics and woke cancel culture working out for you?  

What ? 

2010
The election resulted in a large swing to the Conservative Party similar to that seen in 1979.  The Labour Party lost its 66-seat majority and ended up with 258 seats, bringing to an end to the short stay in office of Prime Minister, Gordon Brown.

So what ? What propaganda where you reading at the time ? 

2015 
The Labour Party, now led by Ed Miliband, incurred a net loss of another 26 seats to return just 232 MPs. This was its lowest seat tally since the 1987 General Election. 

What is your point ? 

2017
The Labour Party under the deeply unpopular Jeremy Corbyn managed to increase its share of the vote by only 1% against the most unpopular Prime Minister in modern times, Theresa May. It ended up picking up 20 extra seats, leaving it with with 262 MPs.

What is your point ?

2019
Two years later, The Labour Party lost another 20 seats bringing its sitting MPs down to a record low of 202, its lowest number and proportion of seats since 1935. 

Still struggling to understand your point?

As of 2021, The Labour Party has lost 4 General Elections and by the time of the next General Election in 2024 will have been out of Government for 14 years.

Still not getting your point ?

How is all this anti-Brexit, identity politics and woke cancel culture working out for you?  

How is all this anti-Brexit, identity politics and woke cancel culture working out for you?  

You seem to be promoting all this culture, woke or whatever.

I thought we would be discussing media, journalism and such things on this thread but apparently not  it seems ? You started the thread so what is your advice or take on the subject you started on ? I haven't heard anything on that ?

Just a little political reality for you.

2010
The election resulted in a large swing to the Conservative Party similar to that seen in 1979.  The Labour Party lost its 66-seat majority and ended up with 258 seats, bringing to an end to the short stay in office of Prime Minister, Gordon Brown.

2015 
The Labour Party, now led by Ed Miliband, incurred a net loss of another 26 seats to return just 232 MPs. This was its lowest seat tally since the 1987 General Election. 

2017
The Labour Party under the deeply unpopular Jeremy Corbyn managed to increase its share of the vote by only 1% against the most unpopular Prime Minister in modern times, Theresa May. It ended up picking up 20 extra seats, leaving it with with 262 MPs.

2019
Two years later, The Labour Party lost another 20 seats bringing its sitting MPs down to a record low of 202, its lowest number and proportion of seats since 1935. 

Hatred, bitterness and animosity?

Methinks thou shouldst look in the mirror at thine own good self.

It is pulling up the drawbridge that ses to be a whole lot more indicative of hatred, bitterness and animosity

Caelus said:

its not nonsense or opposite the truth, you just dont know how the EU works...

Is that right ? Go on then tell us ignorant people how it works then ? 

Caelus said:

ace the facts, the EU is nothing more than a giant ponzi scheme.

Welcome to the realities of Capitalism my friend. What are your alternatives ? I'd love to hear them ? 

Caelus said:

put it this way.... if your running a shop, do you think its best to get your goods you sell in your shop from asda, or from a actual bulk source that creates it? ... because by your logic youd buy your stock from asda and then wonder why no ones buying it to make you profit.... why would they buy it from you when they can buy it from where you got it without you having to make profit ontop of it?

Nothing here at all is logical. Why don't you expand in your thinking and tell us all what the hell you are talking about ? We don't want to hear anything you have fixed in your head regarding brexit or the nonsense you read about at the time. 

We want hard facts or evidence or, at least, something we can all agree on. you can't offer any of that can you ? You were wrong and you don't like being wrong. You never really gave any attention  to following through with any of the  bullshit claims made during the campaign did you ? You weren't capable of thinking for yourself  were you ? Now that the *** has hit the fan you will do anything but admit you were hoodwinked by a small number of people who don't have your interests at heart. Isn't that the case ? 

We're not friends. But point taken.

These empty words mean nothing to me, my friend.

Yes, basically.

The referendum was in 2016. It's now 2021. It's time to let go and move on. It's worse than those fanatics who stormed the American capital because they too couldn't accept the results of a democratic election. It's not healthy. For you. Or for society.

Scapegoating outsiders being one of the less noble andore dangerous aspects of human nature.

Divide and rule. 

Copying and pasting from the Tory manifesto now?

And still not a single benefit named, just empty promises. 

Oh and some anti-immigrant dog-whistles thrown in. The 'housing and service needs' of this country are being ignored in favour of private capital. But then, scapegoating immigrants is just easier. And people fall for it.

Benefits of Brexit

The benefits of Brexit range from new regulatory freedoms, an independent trade policy and a stricter immigration system to protect the culture, and the indigenous workers.

The United Kingdom has more freedom to create our own trade deals and regulations. 

In emerging industries, such as genetically modified foods and genome technology, Britain can take a more innovative approach than the EU by diverging from the shackles of data protection and regulation of the internet.

Regaining sovereignty back from unelected officials in Brussels. The UK will exercise full control over its borders. Brexit will see the end of free movement and cut immigration into Britain, which has created difficulties in fulfilling housing and service needs. 

The referendum was in 2016. It's now 2021. It's time to let go and move on, Turtle. 

its not nonsense or opposite the truth, you just dont know how the EU works... which is why your a remainer... if you knew how it worked then youd probably agree it was wise to come out of it.

now if you havent got any other arguments than denial of truth theres no point in keep harping on. 

face the facts, the EU is nothing more than a giant ponzi scheme. and if you think we get cheaper goods when they have to go through a middle man before they get to us you dont know a thing about economics either lol

put it this way.... if your running a shop, do you think its best to get your goods you sell in your shop from asda, or from a actual bulk source that creates it? ... because by your logic youd buy your stock from asda and then wonder why no ones buying it to make you profit.... why would they buy it from you when they can buy it from where you got it without you having to make profit ontop of it?

Caelus said:

again we got products from all over the world but they had to go through the EU first, they acted as a middle man and did the deals for us... which in turn wasnt deals to be favourable for us but deals to be favourable for them making money off us by buying off the source and then selling to us for ramped up profit.... they didnt allow us to go to the source and buy direct for cheaper, it is illegal in the EU for members to do that, one of the conditions is any outside deal or trade the EU has to do it for you in which they act as middle man and want profit from it, alot of profit from it. which increases the prices of goods on our shelves.... but your fine with that, because your a middle class selfish pillock who probably voted tories all your life up until last election.

That's just nonsense and the complete opposite of the truth or reality and just more of your rantings based on nothing. If anything we got products cheaper being part of the biggest trading block in the world. You see, if you're  a member of the biggest trading block in the world with a population of over 400 million, countries will tend to want to do business with you on your terms. You have all the cards. Take it or leave it. What cards do we have now as a divided, insular, simple-minded,  Zena phobic and sad little nation run by a bunch of charlatans, compulsive liars and incompetent wasters ? The only friends we have now in the EU are other little insignificant imbeciles like Hungary and its far-right lunatic leader.  

It is actually more expensive for Australian, New Zealanders, South Africans etc etc citizens to buy products made in their own countries than it is to buy the same products in the EU so you are talking complete dribble. 

You should get used to that because everything will get more expensive for us after leaving the EU and living standards will drop. We will also be forced to drop many of our higher standards regarding food production and human rights in order to strike deals with lesser developed or evolved  countries. 

Once again, I gave you the opportunity to make your case based on anything coherent, logical, sensible, economically beneficial, understandable , moral or anything else that might progress us but you have absolutely nothing to offer on that front or anything else. 

again we got products from all over the world but they had to go through the EU first, they acted as a middle man and did the deals for us... which in turn wasnt deals to be favourable for us but deals to be favourable for them making money off us by buying off the source and then selling to us for ramped up profit.... they didnt allow us to go to the source and buy direct for cheaper, it is illegal in the EU for members to do that, one of the conditions is any outside deal or trade the EU has to do it for you in which they act as middle man and want profit from it, alot of profit from it. which increases the prices of goods on our shelves.... but your fine with that, because your a middle class selfish pillock who probably voted tories all your life up until last election.

Some Trade deals are mainly for the benefit of large corporations where they want to monopolise everything and sue governments if they don't get their own way. Take a look at NAFTA for example. What we had in the EU was amongst the best set-ups in the world. People in other, less fortunate countries would give their right arm for what we had and all the opportunities future generations could expect. 

Caelus said:

ow, please go away, learn how the EU works, then come back and we can have a propper debate without you embarrassing yourself and speaking of things you know very little of.

I know that when we were in it we were part of the biggest trading block in the world and were amongst the the top 3 most important countries in it and we had free trade with all members. I also know that when we were in it you could walk into any supermarket  or retail outlet and find products from all over the world so I'm not getting that we were somehow banned from trading with other countries or the big bad EU had our hands tied. You are getting confused with trade deals and international treaties and all the crap they told you during the Leave campaign . The only one embarrassing themselves here is you. We also had the benefit of travelling freely throughout the EU and to study and work throughout it. 

You haven't gave a single benefit of leaving to date. Nor will you or any other brexiteer because they don't have any. It's not nice being hoodwinked by propagandists or easy to admit but you were. They've left you out at sea without a paddle. 

I think if anyone sensible was given the choice between being part of and a senior member of the biggest trading block in the world or being an isolated and insular little island having to go round the world begging for trade deals with insignificant countries or former little colonies or to go begging the US for one on their terms, I think the sensible people would choose the former.  Now on the other hand if you can come back to me and say, yes, we have now miraculously got a better deal than being part of and a member of the biggest trading block on the planet, who's members were are neighbours and virtually on our doorstep then I may begin to listen to your rantings. How long would that take to go around the world begging for trade deals from insignificant countries where we are not really that important anymore and haven't many cards to play ? 50 - 100 years ? Do you know how long it takes to finalise 1 international trade deal ? And why would the US want or need to do us any favours in a trade deal ? They would simply say take it or leave it insignificant little country.  

Caelus said:

i gave you benefits, the ability to freely trade unstifled alone globally is a benefit that far outweighs the EU on its own..

Do you have a shred of evidence to back that up ? How is that going so far ? How long do you think it will take to match what we had ? 2, 3, 4 generations ? I don't want you to back at me with opinion, 3 word slogans or any other nonsense. Come back with hard facts or evidence. 

not sure what care home it was, but it was home help that pretty much abuducted her and tried to force her wealth and property off her in a care home. but at the time she lived with 2 of my uncles who took care of her ontop of having home help when they was out. and home help pretty much kept tryna force her into a home and steal her stuff.

hell they even got broke in one time and the people that broke in knew where everything was and stole my uncles car keys and savings and took off with his car, turned out it was one of the home helps relatives that did it. they are very dodgy and criminal. both home help and the care homes, of which is probably one and the same i guess, i guess the home help might work for the care home or something.

anyways alot of care homes around me always end up being found out for beating the elderly residents up. thats one reason my uncles looked after her themselves because they knew the state of the care homes and didnt want to put her in one when they would only end up mistreating her.

Which care home did she go to Caelus? I've had family members in both care home and assisted living situations. They were always well cared for and respected. The only one who could ever be considered 'forced' (and I use that term very loosely) was a great uncle with dementia. He was incapable of looking after himself, my great Aunt cared for him as long as she was able, eventually it became too much for her.  You seem to have had some experiences that have somewhat coloured your view on certain situations. There are some very bad places. That can't be denied. But does that make them all bad?

aye i dont like mentioning care homes though.... i dont even consider care homes to be legal myself. they beat up the people they supposed to care for and they tried to force my nan into a care home and my uncle only got there in time to stop them and found them trying to force sign her home away to them. they are pure criminals and in drastic need of severe reform and criminal investigation.