Thinking in pictures. Do you?

Is my visual imagination weird compared to yours?

I read a book last year with techniques for overcoming insomnia. One of the exercises was to imagine ten stars shining in the night sky, each representing a worry, and then work through them one-by-one (I forget the details). Anyway, after five decades of existence, I learned something new: I cannot hold a picture of ten stars shining in the night sky in my imagination. In fact, I cannot hold any static image in my imagination. As soon as I try to look at any detail at all, look at one star, say, the image falls apart and all I'm left with is blackness. And I cannot stop myself from trying to look at the details.

The same goes for capturing anything I'm looking at. I can close my eyes now and briefly hold an image of the computer screen in front of me in my mind, but as soon as I try to "look" at any detail, the image disappears to blackness.

Weirdly (I think), what I can do is hold a moving image in my head, spinning it around and looking at it from different angles, resolving more details as I zoom in, becoming more vague as I zoom out, but always staying in motion. For example, I can hold a car engine (ICE) in my head and zoom in and watch individual parts operating and I continue to fly around them, but if I zoom out again it becomes little more than a vague engine block, so the total amount of detail at any zoom level is quite limited. I think this might be because I'm really just creating a series of still images and continuously replacing them as they quickly fade to blackness. I cannot replace one image with another just like it, as I'm always switching perspectives to whatever detail my mind is tracking next.

Does anyone else experience this strange, always-in-motion kind of visual imagination? I'm guessing it's an autistic thing. I kind of like it, but it hasn't helped with my insomnia.

  • Straying away from the OP, I know, but something similar I have is with sound - music in particular.  I can remember whole pieces of music and can often replay them in my head with no need to use an MP3 player.  I find it hard to switch that off and it's a pain for me in that when I need to think of something someone else has asked me for, this invades.  It's not like having an ear-worm, I wonder if it's more like an internal kind of stimming?

  • Yeah, always pictures. I find it's helping tremendously with therapy because it gets straight to the heart of things, which is helpful for my therapist. I don't have a huge vocabulary so I'm pleased to have the pictures.Grinning

  • A bit like me, then. Only when I tried to do it did I realise I couldn't. It simply never occurred to me until then. Makes you wonder what else is different that we haven't realised yet ...

  • I can't imagine things from scratch. I get images of things I've actually seen, whether in real life or in some other form eg TV, film, books etc.

    If I can get my brain to calm itself enough to read, characters become actors that I'm familiar with that fit the general description.

    It's weird. Psychologist and the like say "just picture yourself in this situation" or a CBT favourite, " don't think about a pink elephant" well I can't, it doesn't work that way.

    Dreams are the same.

  • It's weird though because I spent most of my life not realising that I couldn't do it. I can think about something in so much detail I know what it looks like and I mistook this for being able to see it. I saw someone else talking about it and then I realised that I never actually saw anything in my mind.

  • Aphantasia, I think it's called. It's not unusual with Autism.

  • I just can't visualise anything at all. I see nothing.

  • That’s interesting. I tried the star thing and I can do that. I then weirdly have this thing where if it’s dark and I’m imagining spots of light or stars like that I then have it burnt onto my vision somehow so I still see it when I open my eyes. I can’t really be seeing it, but it’s like when you stare at a bright lamp and then close your eyes and you can still see an imprint of that spot of light. Not sure why or how this happens when the light spots or stars are just imagined, but I’ve had this since I was a kid. Goes away after 15 mins or so, but it used to really freak my parents out.

  • It's not that I don't get very vivid pictures in my head so much as I don't get static pictures in my head. Everything is always moving. Is that the same for you, or can you hold a static picture in your head and "look" at it? Try the thing with the stars I mentioned in the OP and see if you can imagine them and then count them one-by-one. I can't.

  • I have the opposite - I can’t stop imagining things and get very vivid pictures in my head at the slightest suggestion. So can’t eat if someone’s talking about squeamish things as I just get an instant visual. I also imagine smells quite strongly which can be a pain.

    Thanks for posting this - so interesting

  • I have difficulty picturing things in my mind. I have been in situations where people say close your eyes and imagine you are on a beach.... or you are someone from the past. I can't do that. I also find with new words I can only remember them if I see them written down first.

  • I do this too, it's a useful skill. I don't know if it's an autistic thing or not, the trouble is so few NT's talk about stuf like this as they're scared of being thought weird or different, but I think all of us have different mental approaches, I imagine our way of being able to visualise things would be very useful if you're an engineer, a doctor or a designer.

  • There are very visual ways of understanding mathematics. One of the most beautiful ones for me (not the easiest maybe) is the Pythagorean Theorem proof (or "proof" for very demanding readers):

    Observe that we have two same-size squares, but coloured blocks are in a different order. Because re-arranging the coloured rectangles does not change the total white space (we can not create more white space) then one is forced to conclude that c² =  a² + b² which in words is: the white space on the left equals the sum of the whitespace on the right.

    I am omitting details, but that is the essential step. I hope you like it.

    I would be happy to explain this for hours, so feel free to ask any question. If you'd like to give a book a go, I recommend "The Joy of X" which to a large extent is visual as described above.

    Note also that things like Mandalas, and other symmetric objects are mathematical. If you like symmetry, you like mathematics.

  • I do think in pictures, but don't think theya re the kind of things I can go up close and examine... which leads me to wonder if it is my imagination or simply a good memory for things I've seen in real life. Like in a guided prayer excercise I was told to imagine a garden - so I thought, what how? I instead remembered my granny's garden when I was a child and looked around the garden at the types of flowers - yellow roses and what sounds I'd hear - my family chatting and laughing on the patio a little way away etc. So I don't think I did any imagination, but instead a memory, somehow remembered in detail. 

    I can't understand something merely spoken without having any frame of reference to remember a like thing. But yes in motion thought/picture/memories

  • I wonder if my always-in-motion images are just my brain's desperate attempt at fixing a still image that keeps failing to hold in place, so my brain replaces it with yet another still image that won't hold in place, and so on. Hence the motion effect. It's also a bit like when you see people dancing under strobe lighting.

    Also, weirdly, the motion effect is so strong that I can sort-of feel the g-forces as I move around it. Kind of like getting pushed into the side of your seat in a car when going around a roundabout ("rotary", for our cousins across the pond). I always feel I'm moving with respect to the image, rather than the other way around.

    So, either everyone visualises things like that and I'm completely normal, or my experience is an outlier. I was hoping maybe to find out which. It's strange that I never noticed it until that "imagine ten stars" thing with the insomnia book last year.

  • I've always thought in pictures or images maybe a better term, if I have no mental picture for something then I don't understand it. Like Maths and tech, it feels like a big grey wall, featureless, unclimable, I can't see over or around it, I can't break through it either.