Help needed please.

We have an adult son who we think may well be autistic. We are in the process of trying to get a diagnosis. Over the years we have noticed so many things but overlooked it as in the main his behaviours are similar to most of us; and we are all somewhere on the spectrum, right?

Why I say we need help, is because we want him to be able to help himself in certain things and to understand that we believe small tweaks to his habits and behaviours will help him massively. We might be wrong, but we want him to try and see if things improve for him. For example, he will do something in a certain way, which takes a long time. To help explain what I mean, when he was younger he had a paper round. He would start at No 1, then cross the road and do No 2, then cross back, do No 3, cross back and do No 4 etc all the way up to 106. He would be crossing back and forth all the way taking more than twice as long to do the road, than if he just started at No 1, did all the odds and cross once and do all the evens. We explained this and he seemed to agree and understand, but then continued to do it his way. We tried to explain that doing it in this way was taking him nearly 3 times longer to do that same task than someone else. He agreed, or at least seemed to agree. We asked him to just try it our way so he could see for himself the difference and if he still wanted to do it his way, great, but then he should understand that people may think that was inefficient, eg a future employer.

Another example is his parking of his car. So we live in a road where we have some parking bays on one side and none on the other. When he parks he drives in face forward and straight into a parking bay. No issue really with that. The problem is that when our neighbours opposite arrive on the none bay side they just park on the road in front of their houses. This now makes reversing his car out much much harder. I have suggested to him that when he arrives to reverse park into the bay, so that when he wants to drive out and our neighbour’s cars are opposite he can easily manoeuvre his car straight out. He finds reverse parking easy to do and agrees that the driving straight out is also much easier, yet he still parks face forward and then struggles with trying to get his car out when the neighbours have parked up.

I guess what I am asking is that despite his agreeing with us, he still practices the ‘inefficient’ or ‘difficult’ option and there are so so many examples. We need help in maybe explaining it so that he genuinely does understand, as it seems that he is just agreeing and then doing his own thing. It is so so frustrating. It causes arguments and we so so desperately want to help him but equally want him to help himself. It almost feels like he nods, but doesn’t actually get what we are saying, so we need to say it differently, maybe.

Anyways, any help welcome. Sorry to go on...

  • To explain the spectrum thing, it doesn't work that way. To use an ad-hoc analogy, Citrus fruit is a spectrum, Banana's share some traits with citrus fruit i.e. seeds on the inside but they are not on the citrus spectrum. It's called a spectrum because not all citrus fruits are the same.

    I doubt this is a lack of understanding on his part, more a lack of reasons. Changing habits/ways of thinking can require more effort for us, depending on age and life experience I'd say he'll adjust once he experiences real life reason to be more efficient. This has to be from his experience, not something that can be taught.

    The more you try to force change, the more his subconscious will resist. On a subconscious level he probably sees this as living his own life, or giving control of his life to others. 

  • if u want to upset someone on the spectrum just say " we are all somewhere on the spectrum, right? "  many auties find it upsetting. 

  • autistic people do things differently  which sometimes discovers new ways of doing things ------ i can see he is following the number line and ignores the logically the higher view you see. He may really like numbers.  The car thing, i would do the same as him  and i dont know why, a sort of impatience to get in the door home. Autustics make up their own minds and when we do we are like a hugh oil tanker that takes miles to change course/ or stop. In scientific research we quite often follow a path all the way to a discovery irrespectiful of what other researchers are doing. In a way it works and in a way it doesnt.  Keep explaining he's not ignoring you not at all. He inputs what u say and then re-decides himself to follow a pattern.  Sit back and watch his beauty who else would do that ?

    ask him why he does it his way in detail  --- it could be the direction he approaches houses.  He may not like to walk past windows a sort of anti-rudeness 'proper ways of doing things'  rule I have many of those :)

    my nephew ( more autistic than me )  can spent all day on a single joint when making a table and would not listen to me about spending too much time making a table ( ie it would cost too much ).  But over 2 years he has gradually improved by using machinery to get the same perfection he wants quicker.. 

    I love my different way of thinking !

  • I see what you mean.  I haven't been formerly diagnosed in America.   I am 52 and the guidelines here must prove Rainman crippling disability prior to 18...so they come up with all sorts of diagnosis instead.  It is possible I suppose my father really did have just brain damage as my grandmother said and that was why he was harnessed for his safety as a child.  It is possible the 3 PhD's who cleared me for SRS surgery under HBS and my success living not as the gender I was born for 23 years was not a success either given one doctor in one visit declared an Axis II when I asked about ASD after I lost a 27 year profession..but I don't think so.  I think getting an accurate diagnosis is important.  I resisted the idea because clearly I wasn't like Rainman.  I didn't make it 27 years in medicine by making clinical judgement errors.  I asked the doctor about ASD after I was fired., She diagnosed that as no, you don't have classic autism, you are crazy and all your surgeries 23 years ago were a mistake. I never said my surgeries were a mistake...she did.  I said they were the best decisions that had ever been made.  The medical doctor said because I was crazy I couldn't judge my life as a success.  I saw her after I was terminated from a 27 year career which I only knew how to do one way.  The way I was trained.   If your son has autistic traits that border into disorder, let him experience the real world if he can't face it yet.  His parents protecting him further disables him but he may not be ready to hear ASD.  I was trained in a 2 year medical profession...A mentor saw my difficulties in school and tailored a way to do my job that worked 27 years.  An interesting thing happened one evening as I was trying to bill in a timely manner.  The superviser was an occupational therapist and she watched me.  "No wonder you take so long!"  Then she showed me a better way.  The reality is I was probably an undiagnosed ASD but an occupational therapist spotted what you are describing.  I hated my parents as a teenager because I was struggling so much and there was just no reason I was thinking of suicide in highschool because of the difficulty I had.  "You just aren't applying yourself."  I would give all I had at a task and it didn't measure up against the standard.  Over correction of "This is how you should do it," just increased depression. Conformity means also time efficient.  I agreed to let the supervisor show me a more time efficient way because of carrot and stick.  I was born to do the job I did and I at least gave a fair measure to her suggestion and saw that it was better.  There may be something in your son that makes him resistant OR he doesn't have enough life experiences yet to understand the way he is problem solving is not "Normal."  Behavior modification does apply to us because we don't want to fail.   I barely graduated...My parents realized something after graduation when my college entrance scores were so low the only thing that saved me was my History knowledge.  My parents paid for 7 years of college and allowed me to audit classes with videos I could watch at home, tutors and study guides.  I got a 27 year career out of that.  I was fired when productivity standards rose in writing last year.  I was not time efficient.  There was not more in my gas tank to give.  My father too was about to be fired for the same thing and he came out on early retirement because he could not keep up at 58...  He was prone to explosions when tasks exceeded his capability.  We live in a world that is time efficient.  We figure out a way to get a job done because we are resourceful and creative but if your son had to problem solve to achieve a task in a certain way, he is trying as hard as he can.  Depending on his age, and if he is over 12 hearing it from parents is not the same as a mentor.   I don't know if the sensory and communication deficits are there for your son?  In America in an adult speech delay has to be proven or it isn't autism.  All those crippling disabilities that professionals classify as autism must follow a very strict guideline for a clinical diagnosis and in America they aren't looking for autistic traits or a spectrum prior to age 18.  They look only for crippling classic autism disability.  I was not aware when I spoke with my doctor last year MOST of the people saying they have ASD are self diagnosed.  My 78 year old father knew we were different and he tried to help.  He spoke about 7 pages of autistic traits that set me apart from other kids to a medical center... "Nope, that just makes you different, we need disability" 

    My mothers karma was that she lived with my father resenting my grandmother for trying to explain dad's difference as brain damage.  By the time she had her stroke, she had to admit...yep, probably brain damage after all.  My mother trained me that one NEVER asks for help, shows they need help and above all else, be normal.  She was dirt poor, no running water or electricity, last of 9 and too proud to eat government paid school lunches.  Mom was really afraid I was not endowed with the survival skills others had to make it out in the real world.  I did, until I couldn't anymore.

    Maybe your son needs to experience some hard life lessons and find him a mentor in an area that he is interested in.  Follow Temple Grandin's mom's flow chart.  If it is ASD and he is a teenager, remember we are not comfortable with change.  I have  experience in horsemanship and the best approach to horsemanship or an ASD teenager is allow them to discover it for themselves...the why's or the "this is how I want to do it."   A good horseman automatically sets their horse up to succeed in participation.  It becomes both the horses idea and the horseman.  My mother began to set things up for me when I turned 18 because she saw I was clueless...but I was giving everything I had. "I just don't know how you are gonna make it out there?"  She is dead now.   I was a psychology major with a semester left to be trained in a two year caring profession.  Now, my successes, publications in NIH.gov mean nothing to doctors here in CA without a formal diagnosis... I will be on the street soon.  I don't feel safe to return to live with my father because he lives in new town in the deep south where people found out about my gender issue.  Turns out other people who knew me growing up moved to the same town and they knew he only had one child and that child was a daughter...not a son.  They didn't just whisper about it, they let my dad know they knew and they felt it was wrong.  People like that can do mean things besides just talk.  If you suspect ASD, it won't go away.  If there are too many stressors at one time, we explode much quicker than a normal neurotypical will do.  If your son is ASD, it just about automatically qualifies him as a good person.  One evening when I visited my father I watched his process for entering his property with a locked gait.  He went back and forth.  I asked him if he ever considered taking out a step or two?  He said this was how he remembered it and no, he wasn't interested in learning a better way.  We have those steps and processes so we remember and don't get distracted.  He was 72 then, already retired.  It worked for him...but on his job, his methods didn't meet time crunches.  He was smart.  He was a mechanical crew chief to keep helicopters flying for Medivac under Big Red One in Vietnam.  NO mechanical failures but no one sat on him for a more time efficient way of keeping birds in the air.  If it is ASD, there are other traits besides problem solving as others do and efficiency.  That is just one aspect of ASD.  Don't know if any of my experiences helped but best to your family and good luck.

  • I don’t know if your son is similar to me but I do tend to find other inputs or ideas that would make things more efficient a bit of an attack/criticism even if it isn’t meant to be or even if the advice is better than the way i am doing it. I find it difficult to see it as someone trying to make it easier for me and more that it’s a criticism of the way I am doing it. 
    We soon learn if our way doesn’t work or what needs tweaking just like everyone else but if my way works for me and doesn’t really affect anyone then what’s the harm? Say for instance with the paper round if he didn’t feel a time pressure and was happy to do it the way he was or maybe even was happier spending the time out on his own doing the route and that’s an excuse to make it a bit longer and do it at his own pace, or he just found it amusing to do it in order. If he wanted to get them done faster or knew it was a problem or wrong to do it the way he did then he would learn for himself and work out what he wants to do instead. 
    I get the parking... we have neighbours who have 2 sons both parking where they like in the road and not in actual spaces and I guess the frustrating thing for your son is that he shouldn’t have to change the way he parks because of how others do.. I find this quite a pattern for me if I feel I am allowed to do what I am doing then I shouldn’t have to change that for the convenience of others... but then I’m not one for the confrontation that would bring either so I would rather park at the end of my road instead of trying to struggle getting out of the road because of someone else’s parking. 

    just being there for him is the main thing, we all have to learn either way and it’s not fun feeling like people want to chime in on how you do things if it doesn’t actually cause you a problem.