Do non Autistics intuitively "know" how to act and communicate?

Thank you to all of those here that tried to be so understanding, by that I mean all of you that tried to answer and were met with dismissive comments and even told you are wrong or misguided.

The OP was determined to ignore our comments, only he can know why he came here, I tried to ask why he wanted answers, he replied to everyone but me?

maybe he saw me as some kind of threat? No idea .

 I have replied to the OP several times but still I receive no reply.

 To everyone Thank you for remaining polite in al of this, 

myself I tend to get rather hot under the collar about anyone who tries to dismiss people, tell them they are wrong or deluded. Basically I don’t like bullies or wind up merchants. 

 The OP had an agenda as can clearly be seen by every one  of his replies. He came here to argue and inforce his point on us, he was rude and dismissive, he as a being is not nice, I have no idea as to what label could be attached to him. Maybe TAXI driver, the font of all knowledge ?

At least it can be said many tried to explain, no one was rude even when we had good reason to be.

I work with people just like him on a daily basis, they don’t try to be like that, they just are and see no problem with it, I was told to work here you need a thick skin and the ability to fight back, Well thirty plus years has taught me to interact on their level when I need to. No I am not proud of that, I hate it, I shut out the bitching and the many wind ups, the two against One scenarios that happen almost daily. I have learnt to exist in that environment, it has taken its toll on me. 

Thank you all for being you.

your all amazing wonderful people in my eyes.

I f a professor tells you that you have cancer... are you going to argue that it's just a fatty lump?

NAS39246 said:

I read on this website that "Other people appear to know, intuitively, how to communicate and interact with each other, but Autistics do not", but believe this statement to be completely untrue in so many ways.

You have proved this point in a stunning fashion. Your communication and reasoning skills are stunningly bad. I'd imagine this is why you are trying to garner attention past midnight on a forum for Autistics. It must be terribly lonely.

NAS39246 said:

I do not believe that there is any one way to interact and communicate and nor do i believe anyone, even non autistic could possibly be thought of as someone that "knows" how to act and communicate in every given situation.

Yes, this is called a subjective matter. Nuance. Your mother sure got communication wrong, when she decided not to fake her usual headache the night you were concieved. Sorry that was rude, I think, or maybe I don't know how to communicate.

NAS39246 said:

I believe making wrong statements like this just causes confusion.

I don't agree with the statement you quote, it's a generalisation. It's also a generalisation to assume that every Autistic person holds this view or "neurotypical" person either.

NAS39246 said:

Would do you think?

I think your mother should have taught you to spell.

NAS39246 said:

Do you think there are people out there that just intuitively "know" how to act and communicate?

Nope, I don't. All people are different. Autistic and "neurotypical". It's a bit odd that you don't understand the way the world works.

NAS39246 said:

In that case, what happens when they come across someone that has more experience and is more intelligent than them?

Anything could happen. Literally anything. Experience in what? Intelligence measured by what metric? I have a high IQ but I couldn't help making jokes about your mother.

I've got to ask why you are here. I find it hilarious. Had a few too many beers tonight? You are either trolling or seriously here to get us to answer questions about you, why don't you ask your mother, if she isn't busy entertaining Spanish sailors. Lol, sorry I couldn't help myself. I'm not going to feel bad about myself, I really don't give a *** what you think. I just don't get why people are taking you seriously.

I would prefer it if there was a Closed section of this Forum for autistic people only where we could talk freely without being bothered by nosey neurotypicals.

I know I am autistic because of life-long problems - often leading me to the brink of suicide - that haven't been and cannot be explained in any other way.  My diagnosis actually made me want to live my life and be happy with it for the first time since I was 6 years old. 

It's not just what I say that counts.  It's what properly trained and understanding professionals say, too. 

What is your agenda?  You seem to be committed to telling us that we're all deluded.  You are clearly not autistic yourself.  Otherwise, you would not do such a thing.

Maybe you cannot argue with a closed mind, but you could argue with the professional that labelled you Autistic and gave him reasons why you are not autistic.. Had you done so then he would not have diagnosed you Autistic.

Ok, i accept you are Autistic.

It is not what aye or anyone else thinks or say's. it is what you say you are that counts.

If you accept you are Autistic, and believe you are Autistic, and do not argue back with a professor that tells you you are Autistic and question his valuation, and give him reasons why you believe he is wrong, then you must be Autistic.

I apologise though... I do not mean to bully you and i accept then you must be autistic

This whole thread is getting out of hand.  It is especially wrong for someone to question someone else's 'authenticity' as an autistic person.  We autistics have to put up with enough bullying as it is.

NAS39246 said:

problem i have in accepting high functioning people such as yourself as Autistic.

So you are some sort of 'flat earther' of neurological conditions?

I myself think the moon is made of cheese, that the earth was made in six days, and that Father Christmas visits me once a year.  And I have some evidence for all these, so I know your views overule all others.  So thank you for convincing me I am not autistic despite medical and psychological opinions.

Or perhaps I think your thinking is a bit suspect. (and that is my last word on this as one cannot argue with a closed mind).

You do seem to have a problem as you have said accepting anyone called high functioning autistic, may I remind you we did not ask to have a label, Society decided that if we or a number of individuals in some way did not fit the normality they themselves label as neurotypical then we must have a label to receive any level of acceptance. We must be labelled so the mass population can understand why we are not as they say the same as them.

 We just want to be allowed to be ourselves, we do not intend harm to anyone, we try to integrate as best we can. We are not to be blamed if we can not communicate as others seem to be able too.

 Society makes the rules, the overall normality as prescribed by the masses as being normal and acceptable.

 We are no threat to anyone’s existence.

you have not tried to answer my questions, why do you feel a need to find out if we can or cannot communicate with others?

 We can all type whatever we like in here, but face to face it would be so very different, even you may instantly notice we are not as you perceive normal or indeed one of your passengers, we are varied, if we had any choice maybe we might have twenty different labels to give ourselves, however we are not consulted, we have no choice, even as I type the low functioning and high functioning title is being dismissed, Asperger will no longer exist, we can then tell you we are all indeed the same, just autistic, you say we do not act or behave like your passengers who are autistic, and yet you come here to start a conversation with the very people you say cannot exist! Why is that. Are you angry about something. Are you looking to help and support someone who is autistic? Have you been in some way effected by some one with autism?

I do not expect an answer from you as I may just reply in a way you cannot dismiss.

 Anyway I do not exist as an autistic so you must be talking to yourself or a liar. 

I have not told you wether I am autistic or not. Maybe you can tell me?

If you read my reply to Robert123 you will see the problem i have in accepting high functioning people such as yourself as Autistic.

There are many condiitions and diseases, both mental and physical, which overlap symptoms with others.

I may have a lump on my back.  I am worried about this, so I google it.  Among the conditions I read is cancer.  So I am worried.  I go to my doctor and he says it is a sebacious cyst.  I am happier about that, but it doesn't prevent the discomfort, the numbness down my arm (as it is pressing on a nerve), the fact that it has got infected, and that it needs to be cut out to prevent further discomfort.

I may have bleeding from my bottom.  I look it up on Google and it says it may be cancer or a haemorrhoid.  I also have severe itching, and it is embarrassing to go to the doctor, so I self medicate.  After a time the bleeding gets worse and it has been very uncomfortable for months and months.  I go to the doctor who sends me to have a colonoscopy.  This I find very uncomfortable but they find it is indeed haemorrhoids which they band.  The fact it is not cancer does not mean that cancer does not exist or that I did not have a problem myself.

I am suffering from a rapid heartbeat and feeling faint.  I am diagnosed with Atrial Fibulation.  Someone else with rapid heartbeat does not have Atrial Fibulation but is suffering from anxiety.  This does not mean Atrial Fibulation does not exist, or that Anxiety is not a serious condition. 

And so it is with autism.  Someone suffering similar symptoms but is not autistic does not mean autism does not exist.  And neither does it mean that the other condition is not worthy of help.  But autism exists throughout life, it cannot be cured, and the main 'treatment' seems to be to try to make autistic people behave like NTs.

I suggest you read up a lot more on autism to try to gain some understanding of the problems autistic people face.  Some of these may be problems of other conditions, but that does not mean that autism is not a very real condition.  I also suggest you yourself take the fifty question AQ test, and also the Aspie Quiz

http://rdos.net/eng/Aspie-quiz.php

Whether you are autistic or not it should perhaps give you some insight.

"severe communication difficulties.  With these people I communicated very well."

So you recognise that there are people out there with severe mental and physical disabilities aswell as severe communication difficulties and in the very next breath you say you can communicate with them very well?

Obviously you do not have severe mental and physical difficulties as you are able to work, and talk, unlike them who cannot verbally communicate, yet you class yourself as suffering from the same problem as them? Is this not a bit disrespectful to them, considering you are nothing like them and despite what you think, you will not be able to properly understand them at-all.

Do you think they would be capable of working and holding even misguided conversations with management?

Why do you accept being told by a professional you have the same condition as those people? when you clearly do not!

Why do you claim to be able to have good communication with people who you yourself state cannot communicate?

What you really mean is that you are able to pull off limited communication with a non verbal autistic to as successful a degree as could be expected.

Also you feel you communicated well because you did not feel inferior to them.

They on the otherhand probably did not leave the meeting feeling as though they communicated well

Totally agree with you my love, think we used to be better communicators but discourse now seems to be basic imo, even brutal and ugly. Education is being dumbed down, the most important think of all which is critical/analytical thinking is deliberately discouraged now.

Maybe the answer to your question is too obvious for you to see?

 So far you are not finding it easy to comprehend us, or we you.

 I wonder why that might be.

 Attitude and lack of acceptance is something we cope with every minute of every day.

 I have no idea how you communicate with others but you aren’t doing a very good job here,

Again why do you feel a need to find an answer to this?

will it help you in some way or another.

 Will it benefit anyone NT or ND?

May I ask why you asked the question in the first place?

Have you any connection with autism?

Do you need to try and understand what autism is for any particular reason?

You come across as dismissive of how autistic individuals deal with social interaction. 

And you have no authority or understanding to tell someone they do not come across as autistic because you have had autistic people in your taxi. Does driving people who happen to be autistic in your taxi make you an expert on them?

Maybe the autistic people using your service cannot drive?

 I can and have since I was old enough to take my test. I do not present as you think I should.

 I appear to function ok, but beneath the calm looking exterior there are many issues which I do not feel the urge to discuss with you.

I have no idea why you came here? What do you hope to achieve from this.

 Are you or have you been effected in some way by someone who is autistic.

 By the way,,,,I don’t think football is a good game, 

Let me describe my recent experience at communicating.

In my last job there were three distinct groups of people.

1. The management.  Communicating with them was very difficult.  Everything I did seemed to rub them up the wrong way.  And miscommunication all the time.
2. Workmates.  I Communicated well with about half of them.  Some were just impossible to understand.
3. The clients.  Who were people the mental &  physical disabilities and severe communication difficulties.  With these people I communicated very well.  Once I got to know them I could intuitively understand their needs and non verbal communication.  

The fact that I am able to communicate with people who themselves have communication difficulties says something about me.  Is this positive, negative or ????   I don't know.

Ok well i have called you no names, yet you have called me strange, accused me of being dismissive and disrespectful because i insinuated you had more intelligence than my definition of an Autistic individual.

However you are not really helping me understand, so perhaps there is no point in replying to me as obviously i am not making myself understood and like Alice said, it is going absolutely nowhere.

All the best and good luck

Yes, but that does not make them autistic.

I have been diagnosed autistic by a specialist.  The people who you call 'normal' have not.  Autistic people have profound problems in these areas.  Some aspects of autism are also present in some mental health problem areas.  And I do not think that most autistic people would say to anyone who was in need of help for any problem would say that they don't need help because they are autistic.

I find your replies quite dismissive.  You appear to be saying that we cannot have a problem because others also may have similar problems.  Make no mistake, someone who is autistic does not have problems in just one area.  They would not be diagnosed for that alone.  We are all different, but some common areas are social misunderstanding, literal thinking, sensory difficulties, prone to anxiety and depression, not being able to process information, socially unacceptable habits, stimming, being very blunt, monotonous speaking, being thought of as 'negative', having meltdowns and shutdowns, as well as the attributes mentioned in other posts.

Yes, you can continue to be devils advocate, but continuing to deny our problems and inferring that the condition does not exist I find immensely disrespectful.

Like Alice I think this is going nowhere.

And you think that "normal" people do not also have needs? also suffer sensory overload? find crowded situations nerve racking? perhaps you just do not notice that they do, but deal with it differently.

Maybe they are just not shy