I am new to this WHOLE "Internet/post/thread/blog" business... but I am NOT new to being able to write lucidly or how to use computers at all. NAS gives some "rules" but they are not all that clear. Mostly they say that you should do things which 'are okay as if the entire affair were RATED UNDER 15 if it were a classified as a movie'. But AUTISTIC persons like me make mistakes in "INTERNET-MANNER" without realising it... and so this "thread" or whatever invites rules CLARIFYING anything. I hope anyone understands, and "posts" something helpful. For examples: One *not* stated rule seems to be: DO NOT WRITE IN CAPITAL LETTERS! But there seems to be no other way to emphasise certain words, e.g. no ITALLICS are available.Another thing I have noticed is that people are very quick to tap the "unlike" button, but are much less likely to tap the "like" button, even in giving a genuine "Thank You", and yet all "views" are counted anyway.Lastly, on some devices, "hints and tips" flashes up and then disappears so fast, that it is as if it is only there to satisfy "legal reasons" rather than to be helpful to anyone... ...I also attempt to start this "thread/blog" in apology at anyone I have so far "offended" but I don't know WHY OR HOW I did so! Thus I also appreciate feedback about "understanding" or "hate" in general - for "AUTISTIC people on the Internet" ONLY (not concerning society in general, please)... For even here, on NAS, there seems to be no-place where Autistic Adults THEMSELVES have a forum... or for those "Autistic 'children' who know how to program a computer"...?
Hi DC your discussion in this post has been very interestng and it is good to see your day has ended on a happy note.
Me, yet again, and some miscellaneous "issues"... both "Autistic" and "Technical".- It is SO weird to "reply" to "myself", in order to post anything...- Whilst I was writing upon a "Tablet", I know that I said to try to "like" anyone.. But then I next access all of this on a laptop, and there is NO such button/information concerning "like/dislike/unlike". I know that it is a "software" issue, but this is rather the point: a website may CLAIM to offer certain things and certain assistance/help... but it is not always be able to DO what the writers say that it does. But the "User" is the one to suffer.- Lastly here...I wanted to write about the "Warnings" from NAS themselves. "rule 4 - Be nice to one another and enjoy chatting with others. We encourage conversation and respectful debate; however, insulting posts or comments making personal jibes will not be tolerated."...What is "nice", "enjoyable" and even "chat" differs so greatly from person-to-person, that - even discounting being Autistic or not - this is *totally* not a helpful guideline. Some people "enjoy" flowers, singing, or classical opera...while just as many persons "enjoy" insulting, bullying, or acting out certain "illegalities" which I shan't specify here. "Nice", "chat" and "Proper language" is also not specific: children and "movies rated under 15" do not contain *certain* words... and yet even in front of children such words are now used by many in casual, "nice", and "enjoyable" conversation. --- Actually in my own experience, I have had "children" as well "swearing like a trooper" or "effing and blinding" at me. And on forums/posts/threads... *they* are also allowed to use excessive capitals such as in "!!!!OMG!!! THAT IS SOOOOO FUNNY!!! LOL!!!"... but adults can't do any of this kind of thing on here. All of this is more and more of what is confusing.
Hi DC I see you are up late like me Wow I actually made a smile work!
You are not the first (nor will you be the last) to run into the mods on here. I can think of quite a few including me who have "crossed" the line and had posts deleted because they were too honest and came across as offensive.
I guess we have to remember that many posters on here are not autistic and struggling to cope with their own situations and problems so we have to be careful not to offend even if it is obvious to us what the problem might be.
I am lucky to be at the high functioning end of the spectrum and sometimes forget many are not so lucky.
Did you watch Chris Packham's documentary tonight? I could not sleep after watching it, it was so good.
Any way don't give up, take care, Laddie.
Guess if you say WOW nobody will be offended (as long as nobody thinks it was being sarcastic, that is). It's all a matter of context. Guess you are doing quite a common thing - trying to work out the rules and then applying them very strictly to everything while everybody else seems to get where they apply and where not (without even thinking about it). That is, on here not everyone does and it is a bit sad when people feel like they have to leave for that reason or are actually kicked out. Hasn't happened to me yet, but I'm certainly the type for it too. Perhaps the like/dislike button was not visible when you switched devices because you weren't logged on yet? Although you could post, so maybe there was no reason... I can't reply to anything but the first post in a thread on Edge, and my router doesn't always seem to like other browsers... Don't (or "do not" - I can't see what would be wrong about that, but then it isn't my first language, so I have 23 years less of getting used to what sounds "normal") get worked up about it, they are not that important, sometimes they do quite the opposite than they say. I don't think bullet points are bad, think many people actually struggle to read long continuous paragraphs. It just makes it all look a bit more direct, no soothing packaging around it, so that may be seen as offensive.
As somebody asked that in the other thread, I think everyone has the right to feel offended, also by an autistic person, and to voice it. Best of course without accusing each other but simply stating that this is how it came across and that it did hurt, but when feeling hurt this is hard to do, so is sometimes just not possible. We should try to accept apologies and then move on though. This is where there is perhaps some understanding gap between NT and autistic people because the apology, written or said while being emotionally quite stirred up already, may not sound right, it may sound sarcastic or as if it isn't actually honest, and then the whole thing spirals down. So if anyone has the capacity to give someone else the benefit of the doubt then I think it's good to use that. This capacity depends a lot on circumstances and nobody has it always and that's alright, it would already make a difference to do it when we can.
An issue playing quite a big role with this (at least for me) is the inflation of "thank you" and "sorry". If you really mean it you have to say it lots of times, otherwise it may not be seen as real, but not always - it can also come across as sarcastic, in that case you shouldn't repeat it at all... Yes, I'm also confused. I was accused of not thanking people and couldn't understand this because I genuinely did, also when someone had just done their normal job rather than doing me a favour or going an extra mile. Until it occurred to me that I tend to say it once and really mean it (but possibly lacking the right facial expression to go with it - not intentionally). That's not enough to some, so they don't register the first one at all, it seems.
"Hi" in reply to your "EMAILS" at me, which don't show up on this website, but "EMAILing" brings up many other "issues" of the sort over which I began this "thread/forum"...
This is what I did & I still do. Believe it or not, I have *never* used "Emailing software" to send an "Email" in my entire life, never. The device I use to "SetUp" all of this Internet stuff is an iPOD, which can "receive", yet has no "phone number". Upon this little fellow I gain any "messages", "notifications", "updates", "offers"... but the only way to tell what is what, is by how it is presented.In doing such as setting up this "thread/forum" I use a *different* device: an E-READER: it is newer and quicker and bigger, and the keyboard is likewise. Yet - the two devices seem as if *deliberately* made to NOT connect to each other, even when sharing identical software...!On the E-reader, I clicked the "friend" button and a whacking-great-big BOX appeared, which "ghosts" out almost everything else apart from two buttons: and in not wanting the device to delete everything underneath, I write in the BOX and "send/friend" it... but even after doing that, it STILL got rid of everything else, and so...1) I can't recall what I wrote! I think it started with "Um..."2) I apparently SENT an "Email" but didn't know it. This is another learning lesson about "The Internet". 3) I HAVE pressed "friend" buttons before, but they did nothing before. I do understand that it is supposedly a two-way thing, but the same is also said of so many other "Internet"-matters (e.g. link, like, dislike, post, delete, check, share)...4) Personally to you, "NAS24896" (if that number is right?)... I am, of course, still very grateful at you, which was why I attempted the "friend" button...but the fact is, via "Email Software"... I can't reply to you! I can only do so via "boxes" or "buttons", and here, where it is for many to be read.
This again is another of the kind of "trouble" over which this "thread/forum" was started. Glad tidings to you in any case.
Didn't expect to post this, but it is yet another example of "issues": "[" and "]" divide the whole of the part actually copied AS TEXT. (I have a "snapshot" of the screen, but did not want to start along such lines, since "text" is hard enough for some of us to "post" already. If I can, then I shall try to "post" the "snapshot" if anyone asks.)
[18 Oct 2017 ElephantInTheRoomElephantInTheRoom in HomeAUTISTIC PEOPLE ON THE (N.A.S.) INTERNET, AND "HOW-TO" USE IT.Disallowed Cynosure replied:"Hi" in reply to your "EMAILS" at me, which don't show up on this website, but "EMAILing" brings up many other "issues" of the sort over which I began this "thread/forum"... This is what I did & I still do. Believe it or not, I have *never* used "Emailing software" to send an "Email" in my entire life, never. The device I use to "SetUp" all of this Internet stuff is an iPOD, which can "receive", yet has no "phone number". Upon this little fellow I gain any "messages", "notifications", "updates... (with 14 other replies)Like 22 days ago ]
... There were also "buttons" after which, I can only describe as: Like [ThumbsUp Icon] 2 [Clock Icon] 2 days ago. [... Icon].If this makes sense, anyone should recognise it.
THE "ISSUES" here are this: "ElephantInTheRoom" shows up as the person I supposedly replied to... but I was actually replying to "NAS24896"!"14 other replies" ... really? Where?"22 days ago" - I only posted all of that YESTERDAY (i.e. about 2 hours ago)."[Clock Icon] 2 days ago" - Less than two hours, and contradicts it saying "22 days ago" as above.
The time of me POSTING this particular "issue" should register as around 02.30 (half-past-Two AM.). On 19th October. So... yet another "confusing" thing about "The Internet". ふっ.
Hi DC, sorry if it seems a silly question, but I'm a little confused. What are you actually trying to do? Why "emails"? Do you mean private messages on here? Are you trying to send them and it doesn't work? You don't need a email program for that or a phone number, but depending on someone's account settings you can usually only send private messages to someone you are friends with. Was that what you tried? To become friends with someone, and was that not working? Or had someone send you a friend request in order to be able to send you private messages, and you couldn't accept it (on your device, I mean)?
Try not too hard to understand the structure of this forum, it's not you being dumb, it's just a strange system and confuses everybody a bit. When replying to someone, perhaps address them (as you did), then it's clear anyway, even if the reply appears in the wrong place.
I'm sometimes getting a little confused with your quotation marks. At times you seem to use them to indicate that this is exactly how the button is called, o.k., I understand that, but often I have no idea. Sometimes people use them to indicate a sarcastic or not literal meaning but that doesn't seem to fit either. Like in the last sentence you wrote. Or is it a way of highlighting words? Think I would find it easier to read without a lot of highlighting because I'm focusing a lot on understanding the reason for highlighting (if that's what it's for). Others may have other preferences though. Don't worry too much about it, It's just my personal opinion/preference and may or may not be shared by anyone else (and even if others share it there is no law about it).
There are also only a few kind of laws here, other things are a matter of personal judgement which isn't always easy and is subjective and autism doesn't help with it. So you are certainly allowed several posts in a day, but say if you keep posting comment after comment and nobody has time to respond or you are not actually taking replies into consideration when posting then there can be a point where it gets too much and it starts to appear offensive, no matter what the content is. You haven't done that, so no worries. It's also allowed to deviate from the topic a bit, but if the deviation becomes the main topic of the thread then opening a new one is certainly the better option, otherwise it's a bit unfair to the original poster. That's exactly what you did (opening a new thread, I mean) - perfect.
Anyway, just trying to understand what you are having problems with.
To Oktanol, about Text Formatting. On my E-Reader, this box/format-button only gives me the options: PARAGRAPH, Justify Text left, Justify Text centre, Add Picture, Bullet-pointing, Listing.
No Bold, Italics, or such. *If I want to change text-style, it comes out like this.*And that sentence there, I cannot see how it will appear until *after* I've posted it. So I'm STILL USING CAPITALS, SOMETIMES...!
To Robert123...I wasn't certain how to reply, but then I looked back at a certain other "thread" ("formal diagnosis... advice, please") and saw that you are one of "those persons", just like myself, who has done a certain thing which... well, 'provoked a certain response from NAS, which they think is helpful but isn't always'. I have also done this, on yet another thread... and if this seems confusing, then part of that is what this reply is about.
1- The "helpful" response from NAS. - I don't repeat the exact words here, because the topic itself would be a diversion from this thread here. But the fact that they give a stock response to CERTAIN KEYWORDS --- that IS a topic for this thread.2- The "rule 4" response from NAS. - Same as before. I wrote an entry about this which should be far below: the entry that contains [ "!!!!OMG!!! THAT IS SOOOOO FUNNY!!! LOL!!!" ] ... that one, down there.3- Why I reply to your reply is... note that I first of all said " 'are okay as if the entire affair were RATED UNDER 15 if it were a classified as a movie'." -note here the word UNDER. I suppose this means that, if you speak, write or act as if you were in a 12A or PG13 movie, then that is more acceptable.
...and if THIS seems confusing, then this last should make it all quite clear: I *would* like to start a NEW THREAD, titled: "Words and Things (concerning Autism) which you are NOT allowed to talk about on the NAS-WEBSITE. "...But of course I can't, because we aren't allowed to talk about them! (やれやれ...)
To BonniePurple. When you say "forum" it is, mayhaps, my own fault for not knowing if you mean just this-particular-thread/topic... or the entire NAS WEBSITE. My own tip for the Internet in general is to make the SEARCH box your very best friend. I too could never find a single thing anywhere without typing in certain "keywords" or "quotations" into SEARCH. When there is no search-box offered, I just kind of sit there, flummoxed, and whining "But I KNOW that that is here! Where did it go?..." (!)
Concerning all else you address, thank you for sharing and that IS supposed to be what this "thread/topic" is about.