Government want to look at disability bank accounts to see what we are spending on: this is not good for us autistic.

Don't EVER stop using cash.

DO NOT ADOPT CBDC's "for the convenience". 

FFS stop using direct debits, and paying "interest" on everything you own! The first takes all control away from you under the guise of helping you manage, and the second is financially speaking like voluntarily submitting to having leeches attached to your financial (metaphorcal) body.

Learn the difference between your annual turnover of money and your net cashflow, and (if you can of course, according to some members and people I meet in real life, some concepts I find obvious and "basic" are too difficult to follow) work out just HOW MUCH of you weekly income directly benefits you and your family.

I think you will all find (as I did) how incredibly unselfish with your money you all are. You literally throw it into the hands of rich strangers at every turn, who in exchange enact rules to further restrict and tax your activities, using those taxes to do what exactly?

Once they get you hooked on digital money, it'll be worth whatever (((they))) say it is on any given day, and your access to it will depend on a dazziling variety of ever changing factors completely outside of YOUR control. And the amount of financial fleas will multiply...

Sorry, I'll keep using direct debits and contactless payments because otherwise I would never remember to pay everything and I abhor touching things too many people have touched.

For me increasingly digital systems are a massive benefit, the less I have to interact with people and physical things to do things the better.

To each their own, the option to have the choice is the happy medium.

I can see your reasoning, and for those people who's income exceeds their expenditure by a moderate amount consistently, and who have enough self control to keep a wary eye on their own consumption and expenditure our modern "conveniences" are wonderful.

As to your last line, providing we have the option to have a choice between cash and digital, that will be fine by me.

Labour and several other parties are campaigning for proportional representation which would be more inline with what you seem to be suggesting. The Tories aren't.

Labour, the Greens, even the Lib Dems are more socialist in that they all campaign for societal support systems funded through central taxation.

I'm not talking out of my *** on this, I grew up in a trade union household where politics and society were a common and regular discussion topic, studied philosophy at university, including ethics and morality in society, and have a keen interest in political theory. I'd hope that with the amount of emphasis that was placed on critical thinking and analysis during my studies that it would be quite hard to mislead me.

You appear to have a lot of very negative stereotypical views of the middle class and socialists whilst also showing that you don't really know that much about them. The language and tone you use to describe them are remarkably similar to that used by fear-mongering right-wing mouthpieces who use similar rhetoric to whip up discord to distract from the more serious transgressions of their political darlings.

I don't think it's me that's being mislead.

i vote for no party though. they are not democracy neither of them. but the issue is middle class Champaign socialists would appropriate everything by claiming they are socialists when infact they are nothing but ultra capitalist consumers and most of them are actually landlords... while also claiming they are working class, and claiming to speak for us which ruins our voice and our power. they mislead people and even you may be misled by them for all i know if your not truly one of them. they often all flock to labour. so it gives a clear mark against them for me. alot of their followers are just uninformed and misled, they use the media and other means like that to misled and spread false info.

the entire party system needs to be abolished and changed for a direct democracy system so that the true peoples will can be heard and enacted upon no matter whether the loud middle class globalist minority likes our decisions or not. 

ofcourse the party system will never be changed... thats just the reality. we have to accept we have no power and the big bad will always keep the system as bad as they want and we cant change that really so it will always be bad and they will always misled people into enacting their will and turning against one another to stop us realising and noticing them and what they are doing.

I don't think you understand what socialism actually means if you think that. Certainly not since you've been defending the Tories in other threads.

Considering the lower value of a university degree in the current society I'd agree, but education seems to be a key requirement from the definitions I found when I looked it up.

no but it makes me more socialist than any of your remainers claimed to be and sets the class divide and the context lol

also i think theres a wage requirement for middle class, like i dunno 40k upwards?

BeckyThump said:

The general consensus is that you need to be a university educated professional who owns their own home.

I don't agree with regard to the university education.

A teacher by definition is middle class because it's a professional role. The general consensus is that you need to be a university educated professional who owns their own home.

Brexit is a big, stinking mess that I'm not going to touch with a barge pole because we definitely don't agree on it, but calling for the eradication of an entire section of society doesn't put you in the moral high ground, just to be clear.

i dunno it maybe the london middle class or something, or the higher middle class.

but yeah you see them claim to be working class themselves for political points and claim to stand with the poor to look good... but then when it comes to something like... brexit? .... oh, now were all uneducated ignorant racists who are too thick to be allowed a vote and note educated in their fancy schools? lol yeah after brexit i think the middle class should be abolished, i will never forgive them for the things they said and did and spoke down to us like all while claiming to be the good moral kind caring side.

but yeah, i know working class people who get teaching jobs. just because your a teacher doesnt make you middle class anyway so chances are you could actually still be working class... but i do understand how there is even big wealth divides in each class anyway, as i own my own flat now and just in property ownership it kinda makes me feel higher than working class because working class often cant afford to own a home and end up in rental poverty. but despite me thinking my home ownership makes me feel more middle class im still working class and it would likely require quite a bit more to be classed as middle class.... how much more i dont know... but yeah i spoke to a AI chat bot about this one time and that said yeah im just working class still but have attained decent social mobility.... it said i need a better job though and perhaps some stock investments to then be middle class lol 

Thanks BeckyThump - I pushed myself too far last time, so hopefully I won't do that again- I will walk away if I have to

Make sure you look after yourself, keep an eye on that energy and if it gets to the point where you don't have enough to live your life outside of school, then it should be school that gives way, not your life. I learnt that the hard way.

Yeah, I get it. I'm probably going to reach the same point, sooner or later, I'll just keep going until I run out of energy!

I've just left the education sector again as it just wore me down so much. Too many demands, not enough time or money.

Well, schools of course get no government funding for TAs these days, do they? Salaries are low and the demands of the job are growing. 

I've just started working in a school again after a break of 6 years, it's even worse than it was then! Teaching and support staff are constantly trying to plug holes in an increasingly leaky system. 

Now the government plans to make it illegal for teachers to strike, in effect. 

Yeah. I hope things get better! 

I've just started getting PIP and ESA and it's basically the same amount I was being paid as a special needs TA which is ridiculous. The teachers aren't earning anywhere near enough for what they're being asked to do, that hasn't changed since I stopped teaching 15 years ago. There's no money for schools let alone staff.

As someone who was brought up in a working class family, in a working class area, taught in deprived working class areas, but is now what would be middle class, you're way off base with my experience.

No one I know who is middle class has homes abroad, no one I know puts down the working class, and very few are doing more than the odd holiday abroad because we just can't afford it. We're not poor as the government would view it but we don't have the money for luxuries like homes abroad or globetrotting.

No one is better than anyone else, everyone has different experiences and knowledge, and brings different qualities to the table.

You appear to be conflating the middle class with the upper class, and there's a vast difference there.

BeckyThump said:

Holiday homes abroad doesn't come into that, at least not for any of the many teachers, lecturers and professionals I know

Yeah, they're not the people with 2nd homes, not on their salaries! 

There's no money in Education, unless you're at the head of a Trust, or a PVC, which isn't most people.

it does, many middle class have holiday homes abroad.

infact some working class do.... you know, my union rep at work whos just a cat c driver or something, he has a home in spain and hes always traveling globally... .the middle class are globe trotters and champaign socialists who look down on us true working classes. they think they are better than us and discard our ideas because they are better educated. they claim to be working class and poor themselves when it comes to political talk because thats how they manipulate and trick people into voting what they want.

I think you have a weird idea of what middle class actually is. The definition is a group that consists of well-educated people, such as doctors, lawyers, and teachers, who have good jobs and are not poor, but are not very rich. Holiday homes abroad doesn't come into that, at least not for any of the many teachers, lecturers and professionals I know.

i dont trust the middle class, i think they put their fancy foreign holiday homes abroad above the running and betterment of the country and its peoples.

My income is such that I have to keep an eye on my money closely so there's no room for me to let it get away from me.

My income is such that I have to keep an eye on my money closely so there's no room for me to let it get away from me.