Published on 12, July, 2020
As an older person with Autism, I was brought up in very different times with different thinking, values, acceptance, behaviour, etc (1970's & 80's).
The World has changed so much since then - both for better and worse.There have been so many advancements - particularly in science and this has benefitted us ASD'ers immensely.
One thing that is troubling me is that I hold a lot of "principles" that in this day and age would be considered "Old Fashioned", "Traditional", maybe even "Bigotry" or worse.There are things that I struggle to understand or accept which are based on my traditional attitude. I was brought up in an era when....
I openly discuss or rant about these topics along with some others that may be considered taboo with closed friends and family who have all become somewhat numb to my outrageousness / inappropriateness.
I have however managed to "behave" in public (stayed on the right side of the law), but occasionally do mutter things with a level of cowardice.My concern is that now that I am officially autistic, the shackles of having to mask may have been broken and that has the potential of me saying the wrong thing at the wrong time.
My question I guess is, why are you clinging on to these values? Why are you not open to learning about the LGBTQIA+ community? If you have concerns over saying the wrong thing then perhaps it is time to open your mind up a little because I genuinely don't think you can blame your autism for being a biggot or for saying the wrong thing and I say this with kindness.
autism is actually often to blame for saying the wrong thing... or for not saying something when something is expected to be said... or not knowing very strict social rules which are more draconian and super strict these days that even normies now feel like everything is too sensitive and they are treading barefoot on broken glass everytime they open their mouths. it doesnt create a nice society when its like that.and the term biggot is misused as it means intolerance of others views.... this guy said nothing bigoted as he only stated his own views, of which if i didnt tolerate his views that he stated then id be a bigot for not tolerating his views. bigot is a term used too often by people who want to silence views they dont tolerate themselves. it gets tricky when its used that way as thats a double edged sword.
The definition of a bigot as I understand it is a person who is obstinately or unreasonably attached to a belief, opinion, or faction, especially one who is prejudiced against or antagonistic towards a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group.
Keeping that in mind GPK26 has posted this sharing concerns over their inability to mask as they may say the wrong thing right? It's been suggested and mentioned that to prevent this they could learn and educate themselves on this topic and perhaps open their mind a little. They have then refused to do that and instead have clung to their beliefs. That makes them look like a bigot and that's why I personally have mentioned it.
It would depend on the context? Was it an honest mistake and are they willing to acept that it was one and let it go? Then yes I would apologise and try to avoid it happening in the future.
Now supose I made a mistake but their first responce was to say it was unforgivable and demand I be excomunicated (metaphoricly speaking), I'm much more likely to come out all guns blasing to argue my corner.
And if it wasn't a mistake at all, if I said something they just didn't like (albet maybe insensativly) but that I was perfectly entitled to say that's yet again another matter.
If you said something and openly acknowledged it wasn’t acceptable, and then other people told you that you were offending them or making them feel unsafe would you apologise and stop, or would you threaten them with legal action?
aye the entire thing just doesnt work, and i believe its time to ditch it because it just seems like sketchy people using it all for their own clout and that clout isnt for anyones best interest but the person using it as a weapon. when its used that way everyone it claims to represent is then hated more... and persecuted more...
LGBT is a lot less united than they seem. There are a lot of lesbian TERFs. And there a lot of lesbian transwomen who resent being treated difrently in practice by the same lesbians who pay lipservice to their femanin identity in theory. Bisexual people often get treated like imposters by the LGBT lot as well if they are in a hetro relationship.
but can you really expect others to try see things from others views when you may not be able to see things from their views? sometimes one can be so stuck and locked into their own views they expect others to see their views but yet dont try to see things from any other view themselves.i honestly dont even think lgbt represents all of what they claim to.... alot of gay people wont support everything lgbt claims and stands for but then lgbt appropriates their voice and claims they stand for that when they dont... it misrepresents the individuals at times, thats why i cant support lgbt as a word or organisation myself as it goes against individuality and individual consciousness. and i consider myself asexual which is covered by lgbt... lgbt does not speak for me, i find the whole thing pretty offensive most of the times and am often opposed to it as it is just another big corpo trying to use these sensitive groupings in order to push its own political goals which may not be good for any of us at all. just another sinister political figure using buzz words and social manipulation
I wasnt forcing anybody to believe anything. I just want people to TRY to see things from others views
Yes I agree people shouldn't be called slurs. I'm not sure if people aren't accepted for jobs, the legislation around that is extremely strong and companies have to be extremely careful how they act.
I think people around here are being somewhat disingenuous. I'm not sure what "hibernating" means but everybody who is hibernating seems to reply and vote the same way. You have to admit the discourse in the media, government and on this very forum is one-sided. People basically are not allowed to disagree. If that isn't bigoted then I don't know what is.
Personally I think people should be able to do whatever they want as long as they do not harm others. You can describe yourself however you like and do whatever you like, I don't see why it matters. But that's just my opinion. If you want to force other people to share your opinions or beliefs, that's bigotry.
Please try to remove yourself from this thread.
I'm concerned about your mental health.
Paper said:Isn't your own behaviour and the behaviour of LGBT+ people described by this exactly?
I have to disagree with this. Sure some LGBT+ people may do this but its not fair to suggest that LGBT+ people in general behave this way. I think most LGBT dont care if you dont agree with trans, or same sex marriage, etc, but they DO have a problem when that interferes with how they are being treated. If they are not accepted a job because of their orientation, or if someone is calling them rude slurs, then thats not okay and they have every right to stand up for themselves. If someone disagrees with queerness then that is fine so long as they disagree in a mature respectful way.
This is in no way your fault paper, however, GPK26's behaviour since I posted this comment has resulted in a decline in my mental health. Simply put, I'm in no position to be able to continue to debate this topic any further as my mental wellbeing is far too important. I hope you can both understand and respect this.
The definition of a bigot as I understand it is a person who is obstinately or unreasonably attached to a belief, opinion, or faction, especially one who is prejudiced against or antagonistic towards a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group
Isn't your own behaviour and the behaviour of LGBT+ people described by this exactly? You want to force your world view on others, censor anyone who disagrees, won't allow anyone to think in a different way - that's what being a bigot is.
I don't know if GPK26 forces his views on others, but that isn't the impression I got. He seemed afraid. Everything has changed and there are serious consequences for saying a word wrong nowadays, which he may do unintentionally because he struggles with change.
Everything has changed very quickly in the last 5 years alone, you don't have to be brought up in the 70s to notice the rapid changes. We all pretend that it's totally normal when actually it's extremely radical and often goes against the basic reality around us, but we all do our best to lie and say the emperor's new clothes look wonderful. For someone with autism this can be infuriating and exhausting.