How do YOU deal with being accused?

you can probably guess how id deal with being accused. id smack them back down and challenge their accusation, take offence to it and then id point out how they are closer to what they are accusing me of or some other flaw in their logic to highlight any hypocrisy in their position. if a person wishes to attack me they have to have sure footing and not be throwing stones from a glass house, that is for sure. no one is so perfect though.

theyd have to be telling the utmost truth and have evidence, id have to agree to it if its truth. if its a truthful thing they accuse me of what i have done i will agree to it. id agree it happened, im not sure if i would apologise.... i wont feel like apologising if the thing they accused me of doing if truth, but yet i still stand by that truth. i wouldnt feel need to apologise for it... such as how i got in trouble for criticising my boss, i agreed that i said the things i said about him and how he runs the place, i didnt apologise for it as i stood by my words rather than surrendered them because i believed in what i said and believe how he treats people needs improvement and how he views a workforce is silly because he wants people to do long hours and just a body to take a space rather than have them be hard workers and do like 24 hours worth of work in 8 hours. hed rather have cardboard cutouts claiming attendance standing around doing nothing for the long prolonged time period instead of getting the work done... i said that, i got caught for it, i stood my ground on it as i believe my words and wont apologise for it because its truth

Caelus said:

theyd have to be telling the utmost truth and have evidence, id have to agree to it if its truth

You sound as though you may think the scientific method with its empirical data as evidence is absolute while waving aside other possibilities that could be way beyond our perceptive capabilities.  Your interpretation of the "truth" is subjective.

nah scientific things are never truth, even scientists agree to that, they are theories, educated guesses of which any good scientists hope and dream that someone comes along and proves it false or modifies it slightly. 

science gets warped by politics these days to mean utmost truth.

my truth that i rely on however is different... if someone accuses me of stealing cookies, but i didnt do that... then thats not truth, they are lying with false accusations... if someone accuses me of it and i did do it though, thats truth, and i admit it....whether im sorry or not depends on alot of factors though. but in the case of stealing cookies i think all factors likely would stand for a apology, the only way id be stealing cookies if i thought they was free and offered to the public, which would be a mistake which requires a apology and payment for them.

ofcourse if i were the type to have stolen cookies, but then lied to deny it, then the truth in that matter would be security camera footage.... there is no guesswork in absolute truth, it is something you have been caught doing, something seen, something known. so my interpretation of truth isnt subjective really.... there is just many layers and definitions. but absolute utmost truth is something seen and evidenced that you cant deny, like seeing video footage of a person stealing cookies. you cant deny that if you see it on camera no?....although to be fair, these days probably maybe can if the accuser went so far as to edit the video to make it out to be that way, its a shame we can no longer trust camera footage as it maybe modified these days. but that takes alot of effort and going out of the way to do for such a trivial matter.

all in all theres many layers... a thing you did, you know what you personally did so you have the truth of what you did due to having done it yourself... unless you were drunk or under the influence of drugs which may have blanked your memory then you wouldnt know. people can deny your truth, deny your account of what you did... but then i dunno, who cares? they can doubt you and assume your lying for all they want but you know what you did, and whether you actually did it or not and whether your lying about it. so you know the truth in this situation of what you did right? so its not really subjective then in these cases.

ah i was watching youtube vids of people traveling and one guy went to india and was speaking about how dirty it is there, he even filmed a cow eating garbage in the street lol

then on another of his vids he was in japan, its such a huge leap in difference, and im kinda jealous of the japanese... their towns are so clean to the point they all look brand new as if just newly created, or like a game perfectly hand crafted and cleaned and in perfect condition.

difference between people too, he got along with japanese and went to bars and had fun with them. with indians he got followed harrassed and they kept trying to sell him transport or cycle taxi to places all the time lol

Despite your admirable committment to this social model, and in view of my own unwritten rule never to engage with a lost cause as a matter of my own self preservation and wellbeing, I am sorry to admit that I see your endevour as a lost cause. I too was smitten by the cleanlyness and order of German towns many years ago. I haven't returned since but am sure of a drastic difference.

In my view a huge uncontrolled input of third world immigration creates the environment of a third world country. Here we are already on that downward spiral---just look around you with what's really going on. So much to answer for with left wing liberalism.

Oh absolutely.

I've figured out a method which might well work to sideline much of the existing power of our existing decision makers. Essentially using an "infection" model to get the required political traction, but still have no viable replacememt system that I can see that will work for nearly everyone.

The system that we live in and which I complain about so much is still WAY better than how some people in the world live, BUT it is visibly collapsing in front of my eyes, and has been for many decades.

I've been told I have a bad attitude and that things are really O.K. in England, and had just about swallowed that idea then I started travelling abroad...

Twenty years ago I started going to a small town in Germany that reminded me of the Solihull of my youth. It was clean and tidy, EVERYWHERE the people were all white german and very "proper" in my experience.

Even the night of Sylvester where nearly everyone goes into their cellar, (or a neighbours cellar,) drink heavily to emerge at 00:00 hours to set off fireworks in the street was somehow conducted in a reasonably orderly and safe manner!

Then over the next twenty years of my observation  The cigarrette machines at the end of the street started getting vandalised and the graffiti started to appear. The streets became slowly over time less maintained, and I hear police sirens a little more often now. At first the graffifti was political and stencilled  or even humorous/artistic but gradually it decended into the "tagging" we all know so well over here. I started smelling cannabis very occasionally, and seeing a few more brown faces in the crowds. Crime is now increasing. They all seemed to have less money and optimism, and it was becoming less "German" I started to notice drunken arguments in the streets.

In short: I watched exactly the same process happen to them, over twenty years, that I observed in my own country, but because I wasn't immmersed in their process like I was my own, but just visiting every year or so as an observer, the changes were really visiible. 

It DOES look like the execution of a plan if you are that way inclined in your thinking, or at the very least there is a visible and describable sequence to societal decay, and a big feature of it is that it is hard to spot for most people as they go though it. I can see some Germans trying to get their head around what has happened to their society as the change is happening to them...

Here is someone credibly describing the process of transition that I have been observing and marvelling at since I was a kid. Make of it what you will, I find it all very confusing!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbebvCmmKzM

Your efforts with your social model are admirable. In view of this "huge complication" do you not think you have bitten off more than you can chew in a project of this magnitude with this seemingly unsolvable problem?  Not wishing to burst your bubble but sometimes awe-inspiring plans need to be put to rest after an input of 22  years of effort.  The disparity between decision makers and politicians is in my view an insurmountable hurdle.

I want a team of bright and good people to coalesce and devise a genuine transparent fair but not equitable society that works, is sustainable and has a sensible structure that involves training kids to be good and useful human beings.

I've been trying alone since 2001 but all I've managed to do is confuse and humble myself...

Basically I've got as far as a mix of electronic P.R. and management by government appointed experts.

I've worked out the framework of a morality heirarchy based on peoples basic needs, and a corresponding economic framework that is more sustainable than the one that we have, but the problem seems to be that the people who originate many of the decisions that bind us are not actually the people that we "vote for", which is a huge complication... 

that's cool

Thanks man, I appreciate it, we have balance..

OK---I get it, so we all have our own personal issues. If sitting on the fence is your way of dealing with your perceptions --- that's cool !

What? And expend myself to be a blip on the radar to a society that has considered me an outcast since I was introduced to it, for the sake of being a sub-par opposition to an insurmountable threat, to be English is to be prepared and to be moderate and steadfast.
Our society hobbled me long before I became a hermit. The first to be sacrificed in a tyranny is the poor, I think you’ll find that plenty of Englishmen have been sacrificed in the run-up to the desolation of the culture, by the culture itself. 
The most-English thing to do in these circumstances is to survive in a rightly-manner and rise in a rightly-manner. 
I’ve got plenty of fight within me, but I’ll give none of it to save those who refuse self-punishment, Blighty’s saviour I am not, I’ll save my seeds of wisdom for the ashes..

There’s nothing wish-washy about survival. How’d you like that bias? How’d you like that compound? It’s hard to grasp the truth in this without picking-out the pips isn’t it..?

Indeed.....although I don't worry about not "having that job" (frigging thankless damn task - I'm not trying to save everyone!).....but I really do miss being able to talk to MOST people as they seem now already to be loudly entrenched in one position or the other.  It's hard for any of us to grow, learn and evolve safely in this type of febrile environment.  It doesn't bode well for our delicate civilisation, in my opinion.

Sounds wishy-washy to me. Stop mediating by sitting on the fence. What is right for the kind of country you wish to live in should dictate your views.  

I think the error occur when empowered persons silence an opposing view, this means that the contest is shutdown, and the extreme cannot be humbled. For those of us mediating, we can find ourselves without a job, because there is only one view being voiced..

Point taken. Their web of infiltration throughout our social fabric has been achieved---schools, Parliament, banking, industry, media---where do I stop. The writing is on the wall !

Caelus said:

ideally a system of direct democracy where everyone votes on every tiny little change by their tv sets maybe a idea to do.

There is a late 1960's or early 1970's film with that idea at it's core.  It didn't end well !!!  It would be great is someone knows the name of that film? -- Definitely British

they dont really need power, if we get centralists in power the radicals still take media, take the house of lords, take the supreme court, and then slip in or force changes in policy under our noses even when they dont have the actual power. makes them hard to deal with, perhaps we need more political reforms and locks on policy changes and idea implementation... ideally a system of direct democracy where everyone votes on every tiny little change by their tv sets maybe a idea to do.

Only if we allow them to take power!

the radicals hate centralists and the radicals are loud so it makes it seem everyone hates centralists.... but the majority of people are actually central. radical is loud minority.

a good example of this... labour... under corbyn they tried to go radical far left, everyone rejected that despite them being very loud and sounding like they had alot of support. when it came to voting they lost historically in labours entire history.... then kier starmer takes over, he tries to deradicalise and centralise the party, hes gained all the support back and he will likely win next election.

people dont like radical sides in the uk at least... we like sensible central sides. the radicals are a loud minority but they manage to manipulate and take power and change things without anyones consent.

Well said. Goal posts with perceptions have been shifted to the left

A good point.  I am a "middle-of-the-bell-jar-curve" type of being.  I can normally see things from most angles and understand the principles, logic and passions driving diametrically opposed positions.

In the old days, this made me a diplomat.  These days, it seems to make me an asshat !!

All "my" people in the middle ground are now scared into silence or are forced to one extreme or the other.

The bell jar is upside down.  There is no balance these days - it all seems like shouting to me !!!

The place that was inhabited by the "balanced middle" (or fulcrum if you will) is now a void...both "arms" seem to be "falling off" as a result.  

Sorry but radical troublemaking is inconsistant with balance in my view

Sorry but radical troublemaking is inconsistant with balance in my view