Questioning if I understand the consequences of my actions

As a person with Autism Spectrum Disorder, I am afraid that I could commit petty sexual crime without mens rea, because I don't understand some body languages very well, specifically body languages that are supposed to be simple to understand, and I don't understand mixed messages very well, even though it's obvious. 

I get scared that I can't agree or disagree if I am being inappropriate, even when my friends say that I am a good friend to them. 

I know that studies say that people with Autism Spectrum Disorder are more likely to be victims than being perpetrators, but the problem is crime is a very broad term, and you need social skills to follow specific laws. Lacking social skills can highten the risk for petty criminal behavior, specifically related to invading boundaries.

I sometimes become violent and very stressed when I am in a completely different environment, and at the moment, I don't feel safe, but to others, I am seen as a criminal. It's embarrassing!

  • I am not saying they are wonderful, I have come across completely rude individuals in my time, that have belittled me and made out that I didn't know what I was doing.

    But attitudes are changing, slowly I give you that, but it's no different from the general public.

    I expect there to be a level of no knowledge, why would someone who isn't autistic know about Autism if they have never come across someone like that?

    I am lucky to have worked with wonderful people who go the extra mile, it seems everything is negative about the one thing that I excel in

  • There are studies that people a lot of people with ASD are overrepresented in foransic facilities, but I do agree that it's not like the 1970s, but there is a fear that some symptoms of ASD can be misconstrued as criminal behavior depending on the situation.

    My fear is that I can commit crimes related to social boundaries without mens rea, because my social skills is not the good, that is why I prefer to ask for firm and direct clear communication.

  •  never had any good interactions with the police as my way of communicating puts them  on the back foot and I have an attitude its normally remarked .
    I now have an emergency card so I can show if I seem distressed or anxious , I had to use it once when delivering to a police station as my vehicle blocked the road with a van and someone came up to the window shouting profanities at me and remaking he was going to nick me! by this time my anxiety has gone crazy,  Managed to pull the card out of my wallet and gave it to him and the change in his behaviour was instant ,
    I had done nothing wrong as my vehicle was parked where is was meant to. All the evidence was on dash cam as well but never received any apology. So no amount of police trying to win hearts and minds will change my mind as I have to carry a card with me just to exist!. 

  • I definitely agree. I prefer to ask for direct and clear communication, because I don't understand some body languages very well, and I don't understand mixed messages very well.

  • Initiating romantic and sexual situations is a minefield for autistic people. I think that female autistics are at greater than average risk of being manipulated and abused, whereas male autistics run greater risk of misreading situations and being accused of inappropriate actions. This is because we are out of the loop in regard to non-verbal signalling - facial expressions and body language. As a result many forms of flirting are quite beyond us, we cannot recognise the signals and are incapable of correctly signalling back. The only real safeguards are to firstly take anything said literally - if you get a 'No!", or "Don't", then just stop. Secondly, negotiate, no-one is ever offended by politeness and consideration. If you want to kiss someone, ask first. The first time I kissed my future wife was on her birthday, and I think I said, "Would a birthday kiss be appropriate?" Luckily, it was.

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  • So from this point on I am just going to ignore you. 

    Not because of this particular reply, because you don't seem capable of writing a respectable reply to someone who has different view point to you.

    I am not going to get into a position where it devolves to your level of pettiness and insults.

  • I have been a Special Constable. I am currently an Investigator, and have been in the Police for 7 years.

    Also didn't say I was a police officer 

    Personally I can see now why you think like that. 

    Don't call someone you don't know Scum.

  • As a person with Autism Spectrum Disorder, I am afraid that I could commit petty sexual crime without mens rea, because I don't understand some body languages very well, specifically body languages that are supposed to be simple to understand, and I don't understand mixed messages very well, even though it's obvious. 

    You're not the only one, body language is difficult for me to a point, except violence or when someone is lying to me, those are easy for me.

  • This is where I can assist, I work for the Police and I can assure you this is not the case.

    The NAS has provided a helpful guide for the police on what to do if we come across someone who is on the spectrum.

    Many of my colleagues are also Autistic, so have an understanding of what is going on.

    On the point of Conviction Rates, this is not a thing, Qoutas like this are unlawful and impede on Human Rights.

    It's a shame you think this way, as I have never seen any of my colleagues act like this or in my experience dealt with an Autistic person with any less respect than an NT.

    In my time in the Police, I have only dealt with anyone with ASD as a victim or when they are having a full blown meltdown in a public place.

    Never treated them as an easy way to get a prosecution, as that is illegal. If there is evidence they committed an offence than unfortunately they have to be dealt with, but their condition will be noted and there will be assistance put in place for them. This is not the 1970s

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  • That is what I was also asking as well.


  • I am sorry that I asked a legal question related to my lack of social skills, I didn't know that it's completely different.

    Apologies are so not required in that you have addressed some very relevant concerns / considerations about understanding social law and order, and I am really very glad indeed that I was able to make more sense of things for you. :-)


  • That makes more sense. I am sorry that I asked a legal question related to my lack of social skills, I didn't know that it's completely different.