Justice suicide or what else?

Ah I take it the courts, lawyers and your debtors are coming for their pound of flesh? Actually here the law may serve you better. The courts know there is no point trying to get blood out of a stone (finically) and if debt collectors are going to the point of harassing you or worsening your mental health with their persistence you may have a good legal argument for them to back off and give you time to get your finances together as form of a reasonable adjustment. #notlegaladvice 

Maybe speak to a debt counciling charity or the like? see what they can advise.

What specifically are they doing to push you into it Dave?

I definitely do not want suicide but feel I am being pushed in to it by the law and a big bank

Samaritans are not trained to phone for help. My sister is one and sat on the phone with a young girl as she was dying. I can’t remember for sure but I don’t think they’re even allowed to phone emergency services unless the person asked them to and they gave their details etc 

DaveAsperg said:

I don’t feel suicide is a personal choice . There is a view that it happens when psychological distress and hopelessness reaches a certain point. And we on the autistic spectrum get distressed about this and stuck with our thoughts much more than neurotypicals, so our survival is not good.

DaveAsperg, suicidal intentions are though a personal choice ~ with intentions being plans of and for action, with it being suicidal ideations that tend to be compulsive or invasive as they arise from socially fostered and personally adopted behaviourisms during preadolescence and adolescence, due to one or more series of traumatic disassociations.

The basic issue for autistic people during childhood and on through adulthood is in part all-and-nothing 'black and white' thinking ~ due to the other part being rather a lack of individual facilitation, identification or affirmation in society developmentally, in that the allistic emphasis is on being characteristically allistic rather than autistic ~ hence social camouflaging and personal masking to hide being autistic, and the suicidal ideation and intention thing about no longer being autistic.

I trust like myself that you have pledged not to invest in or follow through with any suicidal intentions?

I understand the tunnel vision, I've had it many times myself. I learned over time that you can't just walk away from it and everything is fine, you have to chip away at it until your far enough away that it's not so painful.

Moving forward is not about just ignoring what has happened, you need to take the time to understand the experience and learn from it. Start the process of backing away from it. I find that when I begin to think about things that bother me, it's best to take a step back, and see what has triggered the feeling. Perhaps something has set me off? It might be something completely different which can easily be solved.

Start with this accident. It's not a part of the legal case whichever way you try and spin it. It was an act of chance that happened at a time when you were dealing with something far more challenging. Accept it, then go off and do something you enjoy. Just deal with one thing at a time.

You said you feel you've let your family down? I suspect your family has probably had enough of it. I'm sure they would prefer to have you enjoying yourself rather than dwelling on the painful past.

I feel I’ve really let my family down. This was MY reaction to the distress yes, but how do o let go of thoughts? That’s a big problem for Asd and I suspect why we have high suicide rates 

The point Dave, is that it's not a correlation that you can make in court. Your accident may never have happened. You could have never had the court case, and still had the accident. Who knows? You chose to go out on the road, and when an accident occurred, you decided it was someone else's fault, all because you weren't clear headed and made a mistake.

If we all made accusations based on all the things that go wrong in our lives, every time we deal with something difficult, we'd all be in jail right now because someone would have an issue with us. Your holding on to this thing so tightly but you aren't seeing it for what it is. You have to let it go.

Pleased you recognise that distress can cause accidents.

I have ridden like that for 40 years 3 times per week and it had never happened before . I am sure that the distress of prosecution was a major reason

Even so, you made the choice to go out on the road on a push bike. They did not force you to go out on your bike, they didn't send someone out to run you down. You could have done many other things to clear your head. They are not responsible for your accident and would therefore not bring it up in your defence. I suffered two motorcycle accidents in two months. I had never had an accident before that time. When it happened, I was dealing with major issues with my managers at work. But they weren't the ones on the bike, nore were they the ones in the cars that hit me. You can't put two unrelated things together and use it to blame others for your accident. 

It was not a race, just a training ride in a peloton to try and clear my head before my trial. My concentration was not good enough to ride at speed in a peloton as I was worried about my trial. Never had such an accident ever in 30;years of peloton cycling.

It took 15 years for the OST office scandal to get appealed successfully 

DaveAsperg said:

The police, Cps and presumably the court had a document which clearly stated I was at high risk of a fatal event. They withheld evidence which made it clear I was innocent. T

It is not their job to consider your innocence - they are the prosecution.      If your defence was so weak then you're miffed at the wrong people.

Cases of the severity of yours always take forever to come to trial - that time is half of the punishment - to destabilise you and ruin your life.       

That's why upstanding people should avoid coming to the attention of the police - you have much more to lose than a career criminal.

And some of these criticisms may be valid of court in general. I'm assuming the 'fatal event' you refer to was a psychologists risk assessment of self harm. Court procedures are long stressful and indeed for the mentally ill, particularly those with severe depression, they can present a risk to life. I personally do think that some form of free confidential counciling should be available to those subject to court procedures. There have been a number of incidents where vulnerable people have taken their own lives in the run up to trial ... but that's quite separate from a traffic accident.

Anyway if you had proof of withheld evidence that would be basis for further appeal as I'm sure you are aware. #notlegaladvice

Dave, I'm confused. Your blaming them for your accident. Were you forced to be in a cycle race, or did you choose it for yourself?

The police, Cps and presumably the court had a document which clearly stated I was at high risk of a fatal event. They withheld evidence which made it clear I was innocent. They tried to mislead the court. This could have all been dealt with more quickly instead of taking 18 months.

which is something the court couldn't reasonably have foreseen. You have my sympathies for your injury but only you or the other road users involved could have foreseen it or been in any way responsible, certainly not the court or the police. What were they supposed to do? Ban you from cycling around the time of the case? I think you'd say that would be very heavy handed.

Dave, what more are you expecting to get from the Samaritans? They are simply a listening service. Often staffed by public volunteers who's purpose is not to judge people, but to listen and provide balance to someone going through a difficult time. These people probably don't get a huge amount of training, they'd never be qualified as Counsellors. According to the UK information (unfortunately I haven't been able to find it yet on the US site), they have a safeguarding policy which is designed to help people who may hurt themselves or others, so to suggest that they will never call the emergency services, isn't accurate. I find that having someone to listen to me when I'm struggling is invaluable. Sometimes it's nice to simply unload my issues, other times I can gain a different perspective or even a solution by having a chat with someone who is effectively a stranger to me. Suicide is a very complicated topic, there is no standard response. But for many people, it's a momentary train of thought that can be changed. That is where the Samaritans are most helpful. If you are thinking about suicide on a regular basis, it's not the Samaritans you need, but a professionally trained counsellor and in extreme cases, medication.

So beware ever talking to police especially if you’re autistic as they will seek out potential ambiguities to prosecute you. Such is the case with all the autistic injustice cases.

The police will feed you statements they can use to prosecute you. 

The car accident was when I was cycling at speed in a peloton and occurred as I couldn’t do this safety with the court case in a few days later

I’m sure it wouldn’t have happened without the worry of the case