Scared of my future/brexit.

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Lost one 87

Here is another link of organisations and campaigns fighting the current 'hostile environment' to help adults who may be in a vulnerable position because of it. If you are still worried, do check these out

Lost0ne87 said:

I must stress i dont want to course conflict between you guys, This post is getting a bit long to keep up with and please guys dont argue i want to keep the peace. Were all friends here.

There's no problem LostOne87. You aren't causing any conflict. If people are arguing it's nothing to do with you at all. Everyone here disagreeing is doing it wiilingly, me included, and it's nothing for you to worry about. I want us all to be friends here.

Lost0ne87 said:

I seen the a site http://www.sra.org.uk how reliable is this site?

It's legit, but I thought your parents were involved now? Have they not taken this up for you? I thought they had?

Lost0ne87 said:

If lawyer is under the sra is it reliable?

Yes, but using a lawyer can be complicated and expensive. Didn't you get a response from your MP? There are also links for free advocacy, other MP's, and legal advice in the thread. I'd try these first and only use a lawyer unless completely necessary.

Can I ask who keeps suggesting you use a lawyer? Could you please answer this question?

A pretty angry response to a perfectly reasonable post. I explained that there was no need to take offence, but you have taken offence to that. I don't know what you want. I have nothing to apologise for, so I won't, as that would be insincere. You've had an explaination. If you read through my last response it's all covered there.

Henpecked said:

With allies like you Cloudy Mountain, who needs enemies?

So what have I done to impede any of us aiding LostOne87? Nothing. The only gripe you have is a personal one with me it seems. I don't see why I would be your enemy. I have no opinion on you apart from the one I last stated. You are quick to take offence, and now it seems quick to anger too. I don't see you as an enemy.

Henpecked said:

You take no responsibility for any offence, blaming the recipient and even adding fuel to the fire.

If you read my last post I said there was no need to take offence. I didn't blame the recipient, I stated a fact, you took it badly. You aren't a victim, so don't imply that you are. If I gave an explaination I didn't add fuel to the fire. I was perfectly cordial, and fully explained myself so the opposite is true. Read my post again. You even implied my response to "Angry Guy" was unreasonable. Attempting to tie my response to him, to a totally unrelated post you unnecessarily took offence to is a strawman tactic.

Henpecked said:

Do you not see a pattern forming? No, bet you don't. 

You seem to be getting angrier and more insulting with every reply. That's the pattern I'm starting to see. Again your issue with me and "Angry Guy" are totally unrelated. If you are OK with LostOne87 being called a liar, a troll, and someone who is trying to "drag it out", and you aren't OK with my defence of him, well, you seem to have things the wrong way around. I have my faith that this isn't the case, and you are just using it as a strawman to attempt to tie it into your own issue with me.

You are making an issue of something that really isn't an issue. I think this has become somewhat personal for you now, that's a pity if that is the case. Again, there's nothing I can do about that.

I was more than willing to bury the hatchet, I have explained myself twice now. Politely.

"Angry guy" has been very helpful in this thread apart from his small outburst.

There is no reason we shouldn't be allies, but I guess that's up to you.

If lawyer is under the sra is it reliable?

I must stress i dont want to course conflict between you guys, This post is getting a bit long to keep up with and please guys dont argue i want to keep the peace. Were all friends here.

I seen the a site http://www.sra.org.uk how reliable is this site?

With allies like you Cloudy Mountain, who needs enemies? You take no responsibility for any offence, blaming the recipient and even adding fuel to the fire. Do you not see a pattern forming? No, bet you don't. 

It's good that someone is aware of this. You seem to have quite taken to Angry Guy. You should use it as your screen name.......

Seriously though, I hope the kid gets back to us soon.

Henpecked said:

So Cloudy Mountains you have a go at 'Angry Guy' for his response, yet you instruct me to "read the thread".

I don't think my response to 'Angry guy" was either unfair or rude, so I stand by my comments to him. My response to you wasn't rude in any way. "Instructing" you to read the thread wasn't rude. I didn't mean you to take it badly, you did, but I can't help that.

I told you to read the thread because he has contacted his parents on multiple occasions. They have also read the thread. LostOne87 says this. I thought you hadn't read the thread because you hadn't seemingly picked up on these points. If it sits easier with you think of it a a suggestion rather than an instruction.

Henpecked said:

However I hope this means that his parents have taken over ALL of the dealings in this matter. If they feel their son was about to be scammed they should contact the Adult Protection Team. He needs someone local looking out for him.

Exactly. I think that this has been expressed by multiple people in this thread. His parents have read this thread. In my opinion he wasn't getting much help from them. That's where my gripe was, not with you.

It had nothing to do with you. I don't see why you think it would.

Henpecked said:

As for "I can't print what I think" - please do, you seem to have had no problem previously. 

I don't have any thoughts about you, except you do seem a bit hasty to take offence. Now you have some context, you can see there was no need to. My thoughts weren't concerned with you in the slightest.

Look me, you, and "Angry guy" all seem to be concerned for the kid. As far as I'm concerned we are allies.

The thing I'm most concerned about is that we haven't heard anything back yet.

I enclose below a copy of my reply from Gwent Police for those that are interested.

Angry Guy,

Gardner Julie <Julie.Gardner@gwent.pnn.police.uk>

7 Dec at 12:28

Good Morning, Angry Guy,

Thank you for your emails.

I have gone back to your original email sent in yesterday and read through the very lengthy web chats attached.

I see that many people have sensibly advised that ‘LostOne87’ does not hand over any money and to instead seek advice from reputable agencies. 

It is very difficult to be able to ascertain any possible criminal or civil offences without much more information (especially communication between all parties) and also from speaking to ‘Lostone87’ in person. Your message to them in which you state they are to contact police would be our initial advice too. They are clearly very comfortable with communicating via web forums so by providing them with the email address for us, as you did, I would trust this would be a suitable reporting tool for them to initiate first contact and enable us to then arrange to see them and ascertain any criminal offences and deal accordingly.

 Cofion gorau / Kind regards,

 Julie

 Trin Galwadau / Call Handling

Heddlu Gwent Police

E-bost/ E-mail: contact@gwent.pnn.police.uk

Cyfeiriad / Address: Pencadlys yr Heddlu /  Police Headquarters, Croesyceiliog, Cwmbran, Torfaen. NP44 2XJ

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Follow us: www.facebook.com/gwentpolice / www.twitter.com/gwentpolice

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Am y newyddion diweddaraf yn eich ardal, ewch i www.gwentnow.org
Find out the latest news in your area www.gwentnow.org

So Cloudy Mountains you have a go at 'Angry Guy' for his response, yet you instruct me to "read the thread". I have read the whole thread. He says most recently that he is now in touch with his parents and it is "all under control". However I hope this means that his parents have taken over ALL of the dealings in this matter. If they feel their son was about to be scammed they should contact the Adult Protection Team. He needs someone local looking out for him. As for "I can't print what I think" - please do, you seem to have had no problem previously. 

Henpecked said:

Perhaps Lost One's parents should consider doing this if they think someone is trying to scam their son. I believe they would react pretty quickly. 

Read the thread. I can't print what I think.

NAS38972 said:

Please don't refer to me as the angry Guy

I don't feel it is an inaccurate representation of your manner in that post. I can't change the way you were addressing him. If that hurts your feelings there's really nothing I can do.

Maybe you should be more concerned with your own behaviour than the people's reaction who read it. You weren't concerned about people's feelings when you made that post. Calling someone a liar and implying that they are playing to people's emotions (without anything to base your claim on) is far more insulting than being called "the angry guy" (read your post, there's quite a lot of vitriol and ad hominems).

You might have been giving him the "tough love" approach, but it could have scared him off. Even if he is a troll, I'm willing to take the risk. I might feel like a bit of a *** after, but that's not really important. I probably am. I'd feel like even more of a *** if he was being scammed or controlled.

NAS38972 said:

I gave him the good advice the Gwent Police gave me. I contacted them because I am certain he is being scammed by somebody.

I don't think that they told you to call him out as a liar, and question his agency. There was good advice there, but you did go off on one.

NAS38972 said:

It seems to be a classic way a scam on a vulnerable person would operate, especially one who is known to have passport problems.

Now we're on the same page. It all sounds a bit strange to me.

No Immigration Lawyer who works for the UK Government would want money for his services, he can only act for and on behalf of the State. 

They can. They do. It depends on the actual case by case circumstances. It doesn't sound like he has applied for Legal Aid. The Government are even nebulous with their processing fees. Besides we don't know who told him and in which context they are working. Lawyers like money, I have two in my family, and they'd sell their own mothers. There's bound to be a few good ones out there though.

For somebody to say this to this to LoneOne87, because he must have questioned the person who has been getting him stressed, This would have been said to reassure the proposed victim, LostOne87, of authenticity. 

I'd agree. It's whether they are actually playing by the rules or not that is the concern. They could actually be doing this within the rules. Not the morally correct way, but the legally correct way. I told him really early in the thread not to use a Solicitor until he'd gone to certain places for help.

You have not bothered to reinforce my suggestion that No solicitor will act for him unless he has a written contract

I haven't disputed it either. Why do you need me to reinforce or validate it? You put a lot of value on my opinion. First I can't call you "the angry guy", then I need to reinforce your advice?

The problem is, what, if anything, has he signed, if he is eligible to sign, and who he has signed it with. Your advice is correct, but if he has signed, what has he committed to? Also the advice about the SRA No. is sound advice. There you go, reinforcement.

LostOne87  must realise, he must use all the free help he can get, and they will direct him to an appropriate local solicitor if one is ever needed.  He only has to fill in a form and pay the recognised a fee.

That's what I've been saying from the start. Even better, stlll, would be if he didn't even need to. I'm not sure if he even needs to. That's why I was trying to get him to get advocacy, advice, or to contact his local MP.

I am certain his English is far better than  a considerable number of people applying.

That may be the case, but his comprehension of it may be a different story. I do think he needs help in it all.

and further to those 5 AM's below  there is a further one Mark Isherwood A.M. of North Wales who as far as I know sits on a committee dealing with autistic People.

Now this is pretty good. This guy looks like he would get on the case.

This really isn't about us. You seem like you want to help, but are getting frustrated. The help you have come up with is great. Just cool down! One thing I think you might be mad over as the parent of an autistic child, is the lack of help he's been getting from where it matters most. It's really pissed me off.

It has just occurred to me that the local council will have an Adult Protection team, part of Social Services, who deal with any form of abuse (financial, mental, sexual, physical etc) of vulnerable adults. That is any adult who may be taken advantage of due to their situation.  I use to minute these meetings. They may be the first point of call as the police will be governed by law.  Any person can report their concerns to the Adult Protection Team about Lost One. Perhaps Lost One's parents should consider doing this if they think someone is trying to scam their son. I believe they would react pretty quickly. 

Please don't refer to me as the angry Guy, I gave him the good advice the Gwent Police gave me. I contacted them because I am certain he is being scammed by somebody.

It seems to be a classic way a scam on a vulnerable person would operate, especially one who is known to have passport problems.

I can only presume he contacted a website address for help and they latched on to him.

After being questioned about his so called solicitor LostOne87 came back with  

LostOne 87 said " I just been told something interesting he is a imgration lawyer that works for the government."

So glad you have it under control and you have spoken with your parents. It must be a huge weight off your mind. 

Lost0ne87 said:

Just done the email. Will get back to you if they reply or not

I'd send them another one if they don't reply. If you need any help with a reply, you can ask here.

Lost0ne87 said:

Just to say i talked to my parents and it is all under control. I will get back to you guys when its all sorted.

Why couldn't they have just helped you in the first place? That doesn't matter now though.

Let us know when you get a reply from the e-mail. If you haven't heard anything by Thursday, just let us know here. I just want to know you are OK mate!

All the best, Cloudy.

Just to say i talked to my parents and it is all under control. I will get back to you guys when its all sorted.

Just done the email. Will get back to you if they reply or not

You are not causing friction. With austerity too, unfortunately persistence may well be a must. Surely you will get through to a legitimate source of help soon.

Lost0ne87 said:

My dad does not want me talking to anyone outside of this mess.

I don't know what to say to that.

Lost0ne87 said:

I had Jeffrey Cuthbert deal with me before and he a really good person.

There's a man called Wayne David doing Jeffery Cuthbert's job now. He took over from Jeffery, and knows him because they work for the same people.

davidw@parliament.uk

That's his e-mail address. If you contact him on it and add a link to this thread, it will explain your problem, and some of the people he may be able to contact himself.

Wayne is an important person and will be able to help you. Contact him as soon as you can and don't tell anyone. He will be able to tell off anyone who isn't being honest, and he will be able to help you with your citizenship problems.

Send an e-mail, and let us know what they say. You won't get into trouble.