Lost0ne87 said:My mum and dad worked in the uk for most my life and they are applying for British passport and what not.
I'd get involved in their process. It will be far easier if they are involved. If you were born in SA you will have a South African passport also dual nationality by the sounds of things. Looking at the entitlements you have claimed and the duration (since 2012?), it seems you have some sort of citizenship. If you've been here 30 years immigration would have been on the case by now, I'd imagine. The details seem a bit thin for me to make a complete judgement. As said in another part of the thread EU Nationals who are already here are not going to be deported. You've been here a long time.
I'd call your parents as soon as possible. It's all well and good asking people you don't know, (and can't answer your questions properly) on the internet, but the only people that can tell you properly, and quickly enough to end the worry are your parents. They could just tell you that you have citizenship. Worry over, problem solved.
Here are the steps to take tomorrow or when you can.
1. Call your parents! They will know what your passport is, and citizenship status. If they tell you it's all well and good, get your passport. If it's fine no need for step 2. Stop worrying.
2. If it's not good there ask your parents if you can get involved in their process for citizenship. If not get as much paperwork as you can and go to step 3.
3. People have suggested CAB here. The CAB is probably not the first place I'd go. Their caseload is massive, and I'd say that they aren't used to dealing with autistic clients regularly. If you have problems dealing with this sort of stuff, there are Autism Advocacy groups. They can help you apply for and/or find out your Legal Citizenship Status. They are also experienced and sympathetic to autistic clients.
This explains advocacy.
There is a directory of Autism Advocacy groups in the UK.
If you can't find your Autism Advocacy group get back here and let me know the area or city you live in. Just pop it in the replies.
Most of all don't worry, as much as you can. It might never happen.
I got no passport what so ever. I did have a Belguim passport but that was revoked and I had no passport since and that I can't understand its so messed up. I am getting a solicitor of some sort to sort this out. Has said once I have chance but that was some time ago. Just had a bill and its some bit and said nothing if I indeed have a chance. Things change so I'm a bit worried.
I live in the cearphilly area.
Did you ask your parents? It could just be as simple as asking them about it or asking them for help.
Lost0ne87 said:I am getting a solicitor of some sort to sort this out. Has said once I have chance but that was some time ago. Just had a bill and its some bit and said nothing if I indeed have a chance. Things change so I'm a bit worried.
First of all you may not need a solicitor. You might have citizenship. A passport doesn't necessarily mean you are a citizen. Any solicitor who is their salt would be able to clarify the situation, even slightly. It sounds like you are being took advantage of or the solicitor is a clown.
Again ask your parents. It's the first thing to go to.
Lost0ne87 said:I have indeed been Christned but in Belguim. I am still claiming dla but it's going to be changed some other payment at any time and I have a National Insurance number.
I'm not a solicitor but I know enough to tell you more than the "solicitor" you have spoken to.
You have a National Insurance number. You need to be eligible to study or work in the UK. This means you are in the tax system.
You get DLA, to be eligible you need to have either UK citizenship, or be from the EU or Switzerland. So going by that YOU AREN'T CONSIDERED AFRICAN.
Lost0ne87 said:I have given every paper that they asked for, getting it sorted by a solicitor of some sort and he asked £2500. Whenever I asked the people that care for me why it's so expensive they say it's because it's such a complex case.
Someone is having you at it. You NEED to get in touch with your parents. PLEASE!
£2500 should more than cover a citizenship application. You have even provided them with all the information. Something doesn't add up. Either the solicitor is scamming or your carers are. Ask for all the paperwork that the solicitor has given, and an invoice or quote from the solicitor, depending on how far it is. A real solicitor would be able to tell you your status, and what needs to be done.
First of all stop letting the TV, or in the worst case, your carers wind you up about being deported.
Secondly, and most importantly, CALL YOUR PARENTS, something doesn't add up here with the things you are saying you have been told. Really, I'm pretty pissed at reading that people can't tell you a thing. It stinks of bullshit. Sorry to be frank, but it just doesn't seem right.
If you can't here is the number for an Advocacy service near you.
Please call your parents though. Really.
Can I not do a background check on the lawer?
Thank you for getting to the point. I'm worried about this kid. This "Solicitor" can't tell him anything about his citizenship, even though he has had a Belgian passport.
No one is looking out for him. I'm mad as ***.
NAS38972 said:YOUR CARER can do this for you if you are unable to do so as a vulnerable person.
I'm not sure about that. This seems dubious. I spotted something strange in the next quote.
Lost0ne87 said:Solicitor also helps woman that owns the company that the support workers work for.
Hmmmm. This has so many implications.
Lost0ne87 said:And also to add it may not get accepted and have pay more money.
Why would this be made as a statement if they don't know his status. It's a strange caveat to make without any indication that this would be the case.
You have covered pretty much a lot of my concerns.
The people who should be helping are basically leaving him to it.
I could get more specific but I think you know who I mean. This has been bothering me the last few days. So *** mad!
Have you not understood all the helpful advice people have tried to assist you with.
Others suspect its a wind up. That can mean that you are trying to wind up others with your tale of woe that may be completely from your imagination.
Or they indicate somebody is trying to wind you up. and you cannot recognise it.
I don't know about this behavior, It is certainly not autistic behavior. It is a form of Bullying of a vulnerable person by a sick person. Or a scam on a vulnerable person you.
I am not autistic I am a carer of a very severely autistic son, who does not have the benefit that you possess of being able to understand and comprehend a conversation.
I and others have given you information what to do and so far you have not really acted on it.
I have given you the benefit of the doubt that you are being scammed, you have related a plausible story.
You are old enough i guess between 25 and 45 to be definitely an adult.
The question You must ask yourself is have you have you parted with any money, whether borrowed or simply using a credit card You must dial 999. Only you, or somebody looking out for you, a carer or parent can report a crime. or attempted crime, or an ongoing crime.
Why don't you give your permission to the Lady you in who's house you live in Caerphilly for her to telephone 999 on your behalf. Have you borrowed money to give away to an unknown person. The story teller made a mistake. its a scam. I believe any money you have borrowed or paid out is lost, and you still want to drag it out as your previous reply to a topic. perhaps to get people to respond to you.
Why don't you seek the help as before of your local politician Jeffrey Cuthbert,
I have sent a copy of this topic to the Gwent police, if you want their help and have paid out money.
Dial 999. It's now up to you you are an articulate adult.
I am not lying about what I said, I am genuinely worried. I know you have talked to police but I don't want to get in trouble. I'm so conflicted about this, I think I will show this to woman and sees what she says
NAS38972 said:I am not autistic I am a carer of a very severely autistic son, who does not have the benefit that you possess of being able to understand and comprehend a conversation.
The reason I suggested Advocacy is that he may not be able understand or comprehend a complex conversation.
NAS38972 said:Have you not understood all the helpful advice people have tried to assist you with.
Maybe he hasn't.
NAS38972 said:Others suspect its a wind up. That can mean that you are trying to wind up others with your tale of woe that may be completely from your imagination.
Who exactly? That's an implication that may be completely from your imagination.
NAS38972 said:Or they indicate somebody is trying to wind you up. and you cannot recognise it.
Hold on. You just said......
So if he cannot recognise it, he has difficulties being able to understand and comprehend a conversation.
NAS38972 said:I don't know about this behavior, It is certainly not autistic behavior. It is a form of Bullying of a vulnerable person by a sick person. Or a scam on a vulnerable person you.
What is not autistic behaviour? His behaviour? Why not?
Do you think his carers are autistic? This statement doesn't make sense.
NAS38972 said:I and others have given you information what to do and so far you have not really acted on it.
Maybe he is being controlled. Which you imply. Maybe he lacks the communication skills. Maybe he lacks agency, which is more concerning as he has carers, and he is being guided towards parting with money.
NAS38972 said:I have given you the benefit of the doubt that you are being scammed, you have related a plausible story.
Yes, you aren't the arbiter of truth here.
NAS38972 said:You are old enough i guess between 25 and 45 to be definitely an adult.
Yes, and as you yourself know adults between 25 and 45 can be autistic, and have communication difficulties. They can also have learning difficulties.
NAS38972 said:Why don't you give your permission to the Lady you in who's house you live in Caerphilly for her to telephone 999 on your behalf.
They were the ones suggesting that he use the solicitor. That wouldn't really be the best course of action.
NAS38972 said:Have you borrowed money to give away to an unknown person.
He said he hasn't borrowed money yet. He said the money was for the solicitor that the home put him in touch with.
NAS38972 said:The story teller made a mistake. its a scam.
Well if they are a scammer they wouldn't have made a mistake, stories are usually told to pull off a scam.
NAS38972 said:I believe any money you have borrowed or paid out is lost, and you still want to drag it out as your previous reply to a topic. perhaps to get people to respond to you.
Well that's a comforting statement. How do you know that he has paid, borrowed, or ultimately lost any money. If he has any concerns about being scammed, or how the process works, logically he will want people to respond to him. You assume a lot of things.
NAS38972 said:Why don't you seek the help as before of your local politician Jeffrey Cuthbert,
This is good advice.
NAS38972 said:Dial 999. It's now up to you you are an articulate adult.
How do you know this?
You make a lot of baseless assumptions. I'd say that it's best not to do this. We can't judge how this person functions.
You went from giving solutions to full on unexplainable rage.
Lost0ne87 said:I know you have talked to police but I don't want to get in trouble. I'm so conflicted about this, I think I will show this to woman and sees what she says
Why would you get into trouble? Is this what your carers would say?
Don't mind the angry guy. Go and see one of the contacts you have been given before you show this to your carers.
Tell me if you have found anything else out about it all over the time you last posted in the thread.
I really don't want to cause friction between anyone. I have contacted a few like the NAS but my email says it is blocked, a foult? I have tried scope.org.uk but there live chat was supper busy.
My dad does not want me talking to anyone outside of this mess.
I had Jeffrey Cuthbert deal with me before and he a really good person.
Lost0ne87 said:My dad does not want me talking to anyone outside of this mess.
I don't know what to say to that.
Lost0ne87 said:I had Jeffrey Cuthbert deal with me before and he a really good person.
There's a man called Wayne David doing Jeffery Cuthbert's job now. He took over from Jeffery, and knows him because they work for the same people.
That's his e-mail address. If you contact him on it and add a link to this thread, it will explain your problem, and some of the people he may be able to contact himself.
Wayne is an important person and will be able to help you. Contact him as soon as you can and don't tell anyone. He will be able to tell off anyone who isn't being honest, and he will be able to help you with your citizenship problems.
Send an e-mail, and let us know what they say. You won't get into trouble.
You are not causing friction. With austerity too, unfortunately persistence may well be a must. Surely you will get through to a legitimate source of help soon.
Just done the email. Will get back to you if they reply or not
Lost0ne87 said:Just done the email. Will get back to you if they reply or not
I'd send them another one if they don't reply. If you need any help with a reply, you can ask here.
Lost0ne87 said:Just to say i talked to my parents and it is all under control. I will get back to you guys when its all sorted.
Why couldn't they have just helped you in the first place? That doesn't matter now though.
Let us know when you get a reply from the e-mail. If you haven't heard anything by Thursday, just let us know here. I just want to know you are OK mate!
All the best, Cloudy.
Please don't refer to me as the angry Guy, I gave him the good advice the Gwent Police gave me. I contacted them because I am certain he is being scammed by somebody.
It seems to be a classic way a scam on a vulnerable person would operate, especially one who is known to have passport problems.
I can only presume he contacted a website address for help and they latched on to him.
After being questioned about his so called solicitor LostOne87 came back with
LostOne 87 said " I just been told something interesting he is a imgration lawyer that works for the government."
No Immigration Lawyer who works for the UK Government would want money for his services, he can only act for and on behalf of the State.
For somebody to say this to this to LoneOne87, because he must have questioned the person who has been getting him stressed, This would have been said to reassure the proposed victim, LostOne87, of authenticity.
You have not bothered to reinforce my suggestion that No solicitor will act for him unless he has a written contract - Further that I have suggested that can check any solicitor with a quick telephone call or email to the Solicitors Registration council. On any document from a solicitor will have his name address and registration SRA No.
LostOne87 must realise, he must use all the free help he can get, and they will direct him to an appropriate local solicitor if one is ever needed. He only has to fill in a form and pay the recognised a fee. I am certain his English is far better than a considerable number of people applying.
I believe there woulkd be a public outcry if his application was denied.
You have given him Wayne M.P. to contact
I enclose details of his Welsh Assembly Members who will also help,
and further to those 5 AM's below there is a further one Mark Isherwood A.M. of North Wales who as far as I know sits on a committee dealing with autistic People.
It has just occurred to me that the local council will have an Adult Protection team, part of Social Services, who deal with any form of abuse (financial, mental, sexual, physical etc) of vulnerable adults. That is any adult who may be taken advantage of due to their situation. I use to minute these meetings. They may be the first point of call as the police will be governed by law. Any person can report their concerns to the Adult Protection Team about Lost One. Perhaps Lost One's parents should consider doing this if they think someone is trying to scam their son. I believe they would react pretty quickly.
NAS38972 said:Please don't refer to me as the angry Guy
I don't feel it is an inaccurate representation of your manner in that post. I can't change the way you were addressing him. If that hurts your feelings there's really nothing I can do.
Maybe you should be more concerned with your own behaviour than the people's reaction who read it. You weren't concerned about people's feelings when you made that post. Calling someone a liar and implying that they are playing to people's emotions (without anything to base your claim on) is far more insulting than being called "the angry guy" (read your post, there's quite a lot of vitriol and ad hominems).
You might have been giving him the "tough love" approach, but it could have scared him off. Even if he is a troll, I'm willing to take the risk. I might feel like a bit of a *** after, but that's not really important. I probably am. I'd feel like even more of a *** if he was being scammed or controlled.
NAS38972 said:I gave him the good advice the Gwent Police gave me. I contacted them because I am certain he is being scammed by somebody.
I don't think that they told you to call him out as a liar, and question his agency. There was good advice there, but you did go off on one.
NAS38972 said:It seems to be a classic way a scam on a vulnerable person would operate, especially one who is known to have passport problems.
Now we're on the same page. It all sounds a bit strange to me.
They can. They do. It depends on the actual case by case circumstances. It doesn't sound like he has applied for Legal Aid. The Government are even nebulous with their processing fees. Besides we don't know who told him and in which context they are working. Lawyers like money, I have two in my family, and they'd sell their own mothers. There's bound to be a few good ones out there though.
I'd agree. It's whether they are actually playing by the rules or not that is the concern. They could actually be doing this within the rules. Not the morally correct way, but the legally correct way. I told him really early in the thread not to use a Solicitor until he'd gone to certain places for help.
You have not bothered to reinforce my suggestion that No solicitor will act for him unless he has a written contract
I haven't disputed it either. Why do you need me to reinforce or validate it? You put a lot of value on my opinion. First I can't call you "the angry guy", then I need to reinforce your advice?
The problem is, what, if anything, has he signed, if he is eligible to sign, and who he has signed it with. Your advice is correct, but if he has signed, what has he committed to? Also the advice about the SRA No. is sound advice. There you go, reinforcement.
LostOne87 must realise, he must use all the free help he can get, and they will direct him to an appropriate local solicitor if one is ever needed. He only has to fill in a form and pay the recognised a fee.
That's what I've been saying from the start. Even better, stlll, would be if he didn't even need to. I'm not sure if he even needs to. That's why I was trying to get him to get advocacy, advice, or to contact his local MP.
I am certain his English is far better than a considerable number of people applying.
That may be the case, but his comprehension of it may be a different story. I do think he needs help in it all.
and further to those 5 AM's below there is a further one Mark Isherwood A.M. of North Wales who as far as I know sits on a committee dealing with autistic People.
Now this is pretty good. This guy looks like he would get on the case.
This really isn't about us. You seem like you want to help, but are getting frustrated. The help you have come up with is great. Just cool down! One thing I think you might be mad over as the parent of an autistic child, is the lack of help he's been getting from where it matters most. It's really pissed me off.
Henpecked said:Perhaps Lost One's parents should consider doing this if they think someone is trying to scam their son. I believe they would react pretty quickly.
Read the thread. I can't print what I think.
So Cloudy Mountains you have a go at 'Angry Guy' for his response, yet you instruct me to "read the thread". I have read the whole thread. He says most recently that he is now in touch with his parents and it is "all under control". However I hope this means that his parents have taken over ALL of the dealings in this matter. If they feel their son was about to be scammed they should contact the Adult Protection Team. He needs someone local looking out for him. As for "I can't print what I think" - please do, you seem to have had no problem previously.
Henpecked said:So Cloudy Mountains you have a go at 'Angry Guy' for his response, yet you instruct me to "read the thread".
I don't think my response to 'Angry guy" was either unfair or rude, so I stand by my comments to him. My response to you wasn't rude in any way. "Instructing" you to read the thread wasn't rude. I didn't mean you to take it badly, you did, but I can't help that.
I told you to read the thread because he has contacted his parents on multiple occasions. They have also read the thread. LostOne87 says this. I thought you hadn't read the thread because you hadn't seemingly picked up on these points. If it sits easier with you think of it a a suggestion rather than an instruction.
Henpecked said:However I hope this means that his parents have taken over ALL of the dealings in this matter. If they feel their son was about to be scammed they should contact the Adult Protection Team. He needs someone local looking out for him.
Exactly. I think that this has been expressed by multiple people in this thread. His parents have read this thread. In my opinion he wasn't getting much help from them. That's where my gripe was, not with you.
It had nothing to do with you. I don't see why you think it would.
Henpecked said:As for "I can't print what I think" - please do, you seem to have had no problem previously.
I don't have any thoughts about you, except you do seem a bit hasty to take offence. Now you have some context, you can see there was no need to. My thoughts weren't concerned with you in the slightest.
Look me, you, and "Angry guy" all seem to be concerned for the kid. As far as I'm concerned we are allies.
The thing I'm most concerned about is that we haven't heard anything back yet.
With allies like you Cloudy Mountain, who needs enemies? You take no responsibility for any offence, blaming the recipient and even adding fuel to the fire. Do you not see a pattern forming? No, bet you don't.
A pretty angry response to a perfectly reasonable post. I explained that there was no need to take offence, but you have taken offence to that. I don't know what you want. I have nothing to apologise for, so I won't, as that would be insincere. You've had an explaination. If you read through my last response it's all covered there.
Henpecked said:With allies like you Cloudy Mountain, who needs enemies?
So what have I done to impede any of us aiding LostOne87? Nothing. The only gripe you have is a personal one with me it seems. I don't see why I would be your enemy. I have no opinion on you apart from the one I last stated. You are quick to take offence, and now it seems quick to anger too. I don't see you as an enemy.
Henpecked said:You take no responsibility for any offence, blaming the recipient and even adding fuel to the fire.
If you read my last post I said there was no need to take offence. I didn't blame the recipient, I stated a fact, you took it badly. You aren't a victim, so don't imply that you are. If I gave an explaination I didn't add fuel to the fire. I was perfectly cordial, and fully explained myself so the opposite is true. Read my post again. You even implied my response to "Angry Guy" was unreasonable. Attempting to tie my response to him, to a totally unrelated post you unnecessarily took offence to is a strawman tactic.
Henpecked said:Do you not see a pattern forming? No, bet you don't.
You seem to be getting angrier and more insulting with every reply. That's the pattern I'm starting to see. Again your issue with me and "Angry Guy" are totally unrelated. If you are OK with LostOne87 being called a liar, a troll, and someone who is trying to "drag it out", and you aren't OK with my defence of him, well, you seem to have things the wrong way around. I have my faith that this isn't the case, and you are just using it as a strawman to attempt to tie it into your own issue with me.
You are making an issue of something that really isn't an issue. I think this has become somewhat personal for you now, that's a pity if that is the case. Again, there's nothing I can do about that.
I was more than willing to bury the hatchet, I have explained myself twice now. Politely.
"Angry guy" has been very helpful in this thread apart from his small outburst.
There is no reason we shouldn't be allies, but I guess that's up to you.