is this normal behaviour?

First time posting, hello!! my daughter is 9yrs is autistic awaiting adhd diagnosis too, she often tell us she wants to kill herself, has grabbed a knife before and took to the wrist. We took it off her and hid all sharp things from her. She constantly belittles her dad telling him he is rubbish, useless, pushed him in front of a school coach hoping he would die!

Did a cahms referral and chums both were rejected, we are told wanting to kill them self is normal for an autistic child which we believe is not true. 

Please tell me this is not right, i have done another self-referral this morning to Cahms worth another try and not sure who else to speak too. My husband is great but he struggles with her, and dont think really gets autism. What can we do, any suggestions?

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  • It doesn't really matter whether or not suicidal behaviour is "normal" for autists. If your child is showing that behaviour, then it's absolutely a mental health difficulty. I'd suggest being persistent with pursuing help for your child if she's being a danger to herself and others. Consult with your GP for other referrals, get a second opinion for cahms and chums, because it sounds like whoever dealt with your case handled it improperly.

    Aside from pursuing professional assistance, I wonder what the underlying cause is for your child's behaviour. Autism as they say, is a spectrum, so without knowing more about where she is on that spectrum, it could be improper to offer specific advice. What I can say for myself, as an autistic person who has had suicidal thoughts and incidents in the past, is that it can sometimes be akin to a toddler tantrum. Many toddlers throw fits because they don't know how to properly express what they're thinking or feeling. They feel like they have no control and so they resort to kicking and screaming, both out of frustration and because it's the only way they know how to take control of the situation. I'm not saying in any way this is what your child is experiencing, as I'm not a professional fit to diagnose these kinds of problems.

    From my personal experience, my parents responded to my behaviour by trying to make me feel as safe and comfortable as possible. They avoid putting pressure on me because they're afraid of causing another incident. What I can say for myself having lived through this is that, while it's nice to be given my space to unpack things as I need to, I feel like I've been left adrift without any guidance. So I'd encourage you to continue to be the bridge between your child and the real world. Balance her feeling safe while teaching and preparing her for what lies ahead. Give her consistency and make sure she's thoroughly aware of what's going to happen. Keep her mind occupied so it's not bouncing around hyper aware and confused. Be her safety net, not her pillow fortress.

    I hope you're successful in finding the resources and assistance you need for your child. By all means, keep us posted here.

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  • It doesn't really matter whether or not suicidal behaviour is "normal" for autists. If your child is showing that behaviour, then it's absolutely a mental health difficulty. I'd suggest being persistent with pursuing help for your child if she's being a danger to herself and others. Consult with your GP for other referrals, get a second opinion for cahms and chums, because it sounds like whoever dealt with your case handled it improperly.

    Aside from pursuing professional assistance, I wonder what the underlying cause is for your child's behaviour. Autism as they say, is a spectrum, so without knowing more about where she is on that spectrum, it could be improper to offer specific advice. What I can say for myself, as an autistic person who has had suicidal thoughts and incidents in the past, is that it can sometimes be akin to a toddler tantrum. Many toddlers throw fits because they don't know how to properly express what they're thinking or feeling. They feel like they have no control and so they resort to kicking and screaming, both out of frustration and because it's the only way they know how to take control of the situation. I'm not saying in any way this is what your child is experiencing, as I'm not a professional fit to diagnose these kinds of problems.

    From my personal experience, my parents responded to my behaviour by trying to make me feel as safe and comfortable as possible. They avoid putting pressure on me because they're afraid of causing another incident. What I can say for myself having lived through this is that, while it's nice to be given my space to unpack things as I need to, I feel like I've been left adrift without any guidance. So I'd encourage you to continue to be the bridge between your child and the real world. Balance her feeling safe while teaching and preparing her for what lies ahead. Give her consistency and make sure she's thoroughly aware of what's going to happen. Keep her mind occupied so it's not bouncing around hyper aware and confused. Be her safety net, not her pillow fortress.

    I hope you're successful in finding the resources and assistance you need for your child. By all means, keep us posted here.

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