Kids can be cruel

Hello folks. Just wanted to share with you all.  My daughter who is waiting for an autism diagnosis has struggled with bullying through secondary school and now it’s happening at college too. She speaks without thinking how her audience might take what she has said and then boom she gets ostracised. It’s so tiring. I am also waiting for a diagnosis and it pretty much mirrors my experience of school years and onwards! The good news is she has some lovely friends who accept her for who she is and me to guide her. I spent a life time thinking that I needed to keep my mouth shut or suffer this kind of nonsense. These days I’ve stopped masking as it’s too exhausting and I feel so much happier. I’m hoping I can encourage her to do the same. Also as a therapist I have been reflecting that teaching autistic people social skills can feel a little insulting and misses the point really. Maybe neurotypical people need this training? What do you think? 

  • It sounds as if there are positive factors, including skills/talents that potentially can lead to friendships and also kudos among his peers. These things will lessen the risk of bullying.

    I'm totally prepared to homeschool him if it doesn't work out. 

    Yes, be comforted by that option. And press the school to do their part, bringing in your MP if you need to. Perhaps you can connect with other parents in a similar position and have a support group. Good luck! Heart

  • Thank you so much for the tips  ,

    1. My daughter did some Judo at one point. Though I'm not sure if this would be bad for my son's joints -he's a bit hypermobile with his elbows especially? I can look around and see if there is something that might be suitable though and do some research. Whether he'll go or not is a different story, but I might keep it as an option!
    2. He's a mixed bag with sports -he has fantastic hand-eye co-ordination but lacks physical coordination to run well. He isn't big into football, but I did see him being goalie (I volunteer at the school at break times). He also does have that autistic sense of justice and volunteer as referee and get into arguments with others. You don't want to tell him that's an unpopular position to put yourself in, but I don't think it helps his cause sometimes though I also don't want to discourage. He's tended to prefer solo sports like tennis and swimming, though he did play hockey last year, so he's not averse to team sports now.
    3. I think this will be more one for helping deal with it after it happens, good to have in the bag.
    4. Will have to wait till he starts high school -there is only one other boy in his school going up who hasn't always hang around him. He does know another boy from the sister-rural school, and another from hockey/chanter, but he won't know the vast majority of those in his year. Fingers crossed he can hopefully make friends.
    5. Yeah, I think that the high school might even have a room to go for neurodivergent pupils, and now he's diagnosed he should hopefully have access to it. What help the school can be is varied, when it's physical assault afterschool they can't do much, though as he'll be getting the school bus back, hopefully there is less opportunity for it. It is better I think now at least then in my day, at least you don't get in trouble for reporting it.

    He has other things going for him which might help, he plays electric guitar, likes metal bands like Linkin Park, has taken up archery and is amazing with technology and often helps others with their ICT issues. And he's a big gamer, which is socially acceptable for his age group, so he does have a much better chance of fitting in then I did. In some ways the small rural school has sheltered him, but it is noted by other parents that it can be culture shock to go to the big high school then. I am trying to not panic, he might not have it too bad. But I'm totally prepared to homeschool him if it doesn't work out. 

  • Yes, absolutely.  I always compare this speaking a foreign language.  If a Chinese person and a Danish person wish to communicate, whose responsibility is it to do the work and try to learn how the other speaks and expresses cultural norms?  I would hope the answer is: both.  Ideally, both will accommodate the other without sacrificing their own culture and identity.

    There is no harm, and in fact it's a good thing, for us to develop an understanding of neurotypical communication styles, but "social skills training" i.e. teaching us to mask is not.  That only a) exhausts us and b) absolves them of the work they need to put in to meet us half way.  So absolutely!!!  Neurotypicals also need to 'training' 

  • It is a great terror that my son starts high school next year, as it is known to be rough towards those that stand out,

    1. Would he try martial arts training? At the dojo he would learn defence but also tolerance and how to control anger. My brother was bullied very badly until he became a yellow belt Aikido. When he took up a stance, bullies left him alone - he also learned to ignore cowardly distance jeering - so they gave up.

    2. I was better off at my comprehensive, where bullying was not being asked to join in. I focussed on study and reading [in the library], joining weekend interest groups so I had something to look forward to every weekend. I was good at javelin also volunteered to be 'goalie' [few wanted this role!] so was respected for these sports. So, encourage skills or sporting prowess and focus on those.

    3. It's worth remembering, many bullies were bullied by their parents. This is a form of 'revenge.' Try this as a psychological shield; empathy is difficult in these circumstances but can take off heat - and the belief he is being targetted: 

    4. bullies attack those who look vulnerable and won't fight back, particularly those on their own. Befriend likeminded pupils, so they can go around in a group. Also, walk in a confident manner even when you don't feel confident inside.

    5. NEVER suffer in silence - share with teachers, school counsellor or someone known to be trustworthy. I believe some schools have 'Guardians' - mature pupils trained to spot instances of bullying. If these things do not exist in his new school, perhaps you can talk to the head about what schemes are in place? It is a legal requirement for schools to have anti bullying measures.

  • Yeah, I'm sorry for your daughter, like you I got bullied a lot throughout my school years by anyone and everyone. I had a whole catalogue of differences, plus the ones I didn't really understand back then, and I didn't try to blend in either. It was hard, like water eroding a rock, every splash would take a little more away till all you have left is a tiny fragment of self (indeed I gave up on self esteem entirely, it seemed like a small act of rebellion that if you didn't bother to pick yourself back up then you couldn't be pushed down again. I didn't realise that would be problematic too as I still struggle to have any value.) 

    It is a great terror that my son starts high school next year, as it is known to be rough towards those that stand out, and he is very much like me. I don't want him to suffer like I did, so I do my best to give him what fortitude I can for the time being. We talk regularly, so they can share their problems with me at least, which helps shoulder that weight. I did my best to cover it all over and hide it, which again I know isn't good, so they can benefit from my mistakes at least!

    I was considering your proposition, of training for neurotypical people, for instance in schools. I can't decide, the benefits would be the potential for understanding, but I also fear being seen by others, would it just be another thing to be different and bullied with? It's a conundrum!

  • I would definitely agree that agreeableness, amenability and friendliness help and these are traits myself and my daughter share. I think the being targeted bit is the hardest to overcome as it can leave long term damage and greatly impact self esteem. In fact it was this very agreeableness and friendliness that put the target on my daughters back as it’s just not cool to walk around with a smile on your face!! She quickly learnt to scowl and withdraw which was pretty heart breaking to see. I think school can be a bit of a jungle. It’s definitely survival of the fittest, either that or don’t get yourself noticed! 

  • I'm afraid that the majority create the social rules and society in general. It may not be pleasant or just, but it is the reality. As a very high-camouflaging autistic, I have long ago accepted that to function in allistic society and to realise the goals I have had in life I have to adapt to what the majority expect. Apart from occasional exhaustion due to overdoing socialising, masking does not cause me any particular distress, so I habitually do it and I think it has helped me greatly. I think that school is not a pleasant place for the vast majority of autistics and pack mentality means that anyone even a little different can be bullied. I believed that I early on recognised that loners might as well have a target painted on their back. Despite being very introverted, I went out of my way to be amenable and friendly, that way I made friends and escaped being on the receiving end of much in the way of overt or long-term bullying. Though something of a people-pleaser, I always had a feeling of my own worth, that I should be treated with respect and had definite boundaries concerning what I was and was not prepared to do to fit in. In tis way I escaped the pitfalls of over-agreeableness and pliability.