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Sums it up well

I get that too, except I'm either really good at something or stunningly crap and no one can work out why

in my experience of analysing my behaviour regarding interactions with other people (and usually why things haven't turned out the way i thought they should have!), i have come to the conclusion that i can be seen as either. i always tell new coleagues that i may take longer than others to pick up something new, but when i do, i will do it better than anyone else. its a bit of a double-edged sword, so to speak.

I don't think being intellectual is about formal study, I thhink that's a thought trap created to keep us in the pigeon holes society has created for us. If we had an education system more based around curosity instead of exams then maybe we'd have fewer traumatised people? In a curiosity based system then, 'why are you bullying me, just because I have an "impairment"?' would become a topic for discussion in itself. I put impairment in "bunny ears", because I wanted a word that would give the sense of what I'm trying to say whilst leaving people free to replace it with whatever it is they've been bullied about and I put bunny ears because I had a brain fart and can't remember what they're called, lol.

Being semi knowlegable is alright, you can still talk about things, some people will know more than you and some less, unfortunately there will always be the odd bar room barrister who has no begining to his knowlege and hides it by being nasty to everybody who disagrees with "his" homespun wisdom.

I make no claim to being an expert about anything. Semi knowledgeable about a few things? Yes.

The vain part of me would love to be an intellectual. The self aware part of me knows I never will be. It's nearly 50 years since I studied for anything. I've brushed aside over half a dozen attempts to get me to do a college course. The severe social anxiety, the bullying related trauma, the more than minor executive functioning deficits, have all played their part in making me very avoidant when it comes to further education.

TheCatWoman said:

I think we should be less didactic and more exploratory in our conversations.

Absolutely - yes - and beautifully expressed !!!

It bugs me that there's such prejudice in the UK about intellect, being "intellectual" is often used as a four letter word, especially if you're working class and female, thiinking to much is bad, almost next to madness. I wonder if we would be having this converation if we were French? The French seem to value intellect and thought much more highly than we do.

All of us should be able to talk on a variety of subjects with relative knowlege and ease and listen to others who know more than us, I think we should be less didactic and more exploratory in our conversations.

hehe sorry - "wheel NUTS" not "HUNTS"   see - daft.... :-)

for what it's worth I'd suggest that there are different types of intelligence.  IQ tests test how good you are at IQ tests...  For me personally the tricky thing is that for IQ tests I come out rather high - so often this throws people when my social intelligence appears by neurotypical analysis to be not very good.. 

I tend to explain to people with a joke that goes like this and would share it if that's OK?

Back in the days when people like me where institutionalised  someone had need to change the wheel of their car on the road next to one of the said establishments.

They put the wheel hunts in the hubcap but accidentally knocked it sending them all down a deep drain they had not considered.

Someone watching over the wall asked if they would like a suggestion.

With consent, the watcher suggested that they remove one of each of the remaining nuts from the other wheels for use in the replacement and drive carefully to a better solution.

The car owner thanked the person in the institution for their wise advice and inquired why they were other side of the wall.

"I may be daft, but I'm not stupid" came the reply...

All the best :-)

Don't apologise.  It is interesting.  Thank you for posting this OP.  "Inappropriate" or "disliked" or "not supported by this research, or that research" or "not ok" are over-used and trite statements these days.  We all have a right to be allowed, accommodated, and accepted here.  Opinions matter.

I identify very much with the OP.  wrongplanet.net/.../viewtopic.php

In my experience it's a topic,intelligence,that many(most?) don't approve of. You are completely right re 'blithering idiots or rain man'. It applies almost as much to health professionals,as it does to the general population.

A good description that I came across more than a few years ago- “The Full Scale IQ is an averaging of these five scales, so it’s only meaningful if the scales are consistent. If a child is superior in verbal reasoning, but below average in visual spatial skills, the full scale number looks average. It’s akin to having an average body temperature because your hair is on fire while your feet are in a bucket of ice water.”

https://www.smartkidswithld.org/first-steps/evaluating-your-child/understanding-iq-test-scores/

Very late on in life it's  been suggested, by very intelligent people with ADHD, that I may have the 'inattentive' type. People are very sceptical when I say that high range intelligence tests are easier for me than prioritising the steps required to keep my flat clean and tidy. I do genuinely struggle when it comes to prioritising with multistep tasks.

I have more than minor executive functioning deficits when it comes to organising and planning.

Me too

I like this thread, I dont think you wrote anything inappropriate. 

Firemonkey, is it wrong that I get some wry amusement out of your use of this symbol < ? 

Why appologise? I can't see anything wrong with what you've posted, I think it's a genuine issue for many of us, people usually NT people hear the word "Autism" and assume we're either blithering idiots or rain man. The reality is that most of, like them are completely average, we're very good at what we know and a crap at what we don't, we maybe a bit wiser in that we often admit that we know nothing about a subject instead of pretending we do and being a boring twat.

I apologise for starting this thread. It was obviously inappropriate. I should keep such things to myself.

My FB friends have increased by about x 6 since getting involved with its high IQ community. That's mostly due to friend requests from those participating in that community.

No direct comments on this forum as to my IQ level. The '< 90' response was after posting test scores on tests that got rubbished at Reddit. I've had several similar from those who reject verbal ability as a good measure of intelligence.

People online don’t know you personally, only a small piece of you. Everyone is unique. I would be more concerned maybe what feedback I get from family/close people. My IQ is 107, from my family I always heard that I’m stupid and not enough to live independently, make career, that I’m obsessive etc. from my only friend I have I heard that I’m very intelligent, calm and composed exceptionally normal, more normal than all the other “normal” people. She is not autistic, but we have some similarities and are a good fit. When I showed her my paper from therapist with suspected autism, she said “but there is nothing wrong with you!”