Published on 12, July, 2020
I need to write, my brain is bursting with ideas and I need an outlet for them. I am not a historian, but I think britain is screwing itself, how many old people want to go back to the old ways, long for the old ways of doing things. The problem with that is the philosophy was all about fitting in now there is a problem with this. Neurodivergence. Human brains are fundamentally different. So you force everybody to fit in then you can't let people access their full strengths. Especially neurodivergent people, how much of their energy has been wasted because they were using that energy to fit in instead of finding ways to use their brain to their own advantage. Neurotypical people with their neurotypicalness have more flexible brains which means they can mimic what neurodivergent people have inherently and achieve great success by also having social skills, the problem with this is I think it was working at reduced efficiency. Neurodivergent brains are designed for a purpose whereas neurotypical people have to train themselves to do what neurodivergent brains can already do. What if we focused instead on improving the advantages of neurodivergent brains, What heights can we achieve then. There is a fundamental problem with making everyone fit in and not taking risks, you disadvantage people with ADHD, they are explorers natural risk takers, they are 300% more likely to start their own business, it is not a genetic flaw, it is a genetic necessity in order to improve we need to be willing to take risks, but if these people are forced out then that means that less people are willing to take risks which means eventually we decline because we always take the safe option. So in order to change this we need to actually improve the awareness and diagnosing around neuroivergence, because it is not just an individual issue it is a societal issue, in the case of ADHD medication can have a dramatic effect on peoples lives, but it needs to be combined with appropriate help in order to let them perform at their best. I think I read Richard Branson has ADHD, how many people with ADHD are locked up because they don't have a diagnosis or can't access treatment when instead their minds can be used to improve society as a whole with the correct measures. The things about old people is what happened in the past led us to where we are, not willing to take risks means we didn't take advantage of the opportunities we had because we took the short-term safe option, because there were no risk takers as they were all driven out, they caused our decline and they are now blaming it on us because they f*cked up, with their neurotypical idiocy. Alan Turing, helped with cracking the german navy's enigma code, and yet he had to spend a decent portion of his energy hiding his homosexuality. (Not neurodivergence but the same principle) What lunacy, what could have happened if he was able to just be him and he was allowed to perform at his best. How much more advanced could we be as a society, this is why we are declining because we aren't allowing people to take advantage of their full strengths which is utter lunacy. Another problem is dyslexia and dyscalclia, if we build a society around information and computers, then that means we must be limiting who can access this information. Their brains must be amazing at certain things, I think for dyslexia it is visual spatial stuff and yet they are not able to access their strength because our society is built around exams and test taking and writing, so we can't access their abilities because they are being driven out. This is utter idiocy. The number one priority of this country should be neurodivergence, what could happen if everybody was allowed to perform at their fullest instead of being handicapped and letting neurotypical who can fit in take advantage of this. Neurotypical make complicated systems to screw over neurodivergent people but they are actually screwing over themselves because neurodivergent people are necessary, and then they have the bl**dy gall to blame their failings on neurodivergent people. Screw them. They are responsible for their failings and it is because of the underappreciated neurodivergent that probably made the wheels keep turning with any thanks that we actually got anywhere, with their incompetence running the country. How many of the things that actually made britain great was because of neurodivergent people, whose ideas were stolen by neurotypical people. Rant over.
Yup, well 13 straight years of hard-right Tory rule is enough to drive anyone mad. 13 years of austerity, corruption, incompetence, and failed leadership. When you have a bunch of clueless elitists running everything this is the result.
how many old people want to go back to the old ways, long for the old ways of doing things
It's called the Dunning-Kruger effect. Old people of any generation always whine it was "better in the good old days", they're just feeling nostalgic. I've read an essay by an old monk from 500 years ago who was complaining the younger generation meant society was doomed. It's a cyclical process mouthed off about by the vacuous
Physics has shown us society will always evolve and change, for better or worse, but the Back In My Day brigade don't seem capable of comprehending this. The inherent frustration in the inevitability things can't be the way they used to be leads to their constant complaining.
Old people of any generation always whine it was "better in the good old days", they're just feeling nostalgic.
Some but by no means all.
I would far rather live in the here and now than the there and then.
I started a couple of threads on a similar subject.
Here's a link to one:
https://community.autism.org.uk/f/adults-on-the-autistic-spectrum/30113/what-era-would-you-like-to-live-in-and-why/321052#321052
Yes, you're quite right! I should qualify there are a lot of fantastic, positive, enthusiastic people from the older generations who do a lot of good.
An avuncular stance is fantastic thing, my issue is I keep seeing ultra-conservative types blaming the issues with society on the younger generations. When it's them voting consistently for these destructive governments who are causing so many of the problems.
Not at all Debbie, sorry if I gave you that impression
out_of_step said:I'm not reading all this as CBA
Get in line girl!
This is where we’ve been in Scotland for the last 17 years. A nationalist party that is openly corrupt, openly incites hatred, openly lies to parliament, is utterly incompetent, and faces no consequences because it has corrupted all the means of policing them.
This is why I desperately hope that the polls are right and Labour are going to take a lot of seats off them.
Amerantin (former member) said:I’ve worked all my life and I have struggled through it
Me too.
Amerantin (former member) said:There’s nothing immoral about me been paid appropriately or having savings.
I agree.
I think there has been a misunderstanding and I apologise if I have upset you.
I'm not reading all this as CBA but more people should spoil their ballot paper if they are not happy with any candidate, rather than not voting
I hope you are able to enjoy your day Debbie
Look after yourself.
I’ve worked all my life and I have struggled through it. There’s nothing immoral about me been paid appropriately or having savings.
Already deeply unpleasant folk have been elected in some countries. People sneer at Parliamentary Democracy but it need to be preserved in order to be able to vote dangerous people out of power.The seriousness of this is weighing on me.a bit. So I think I will have. a break now.I hope you are able to enjoy your day Debbie.
Amerantin (former member) said:I don’t align with or support any party and over the years I’ve voted for loads of different parties. At each election I look at what each party is proposing and how much I believe or respect them. Unfortunately I think most people vote the same way all their lives. It becomes part of their identity and they can’t let go of that and look at the current facts and decide to vote for someone else.
I don’t align with or support any party and over the years I’ve voted for loads of different parties. At each election I look at what each party is proposing and how much I believe or respect them.
Unfortunately I think most people vote the same way all their lives. It becomes part of their identity and they can’t let go of that and look at the current facts and decide to vote for someone else.
The trouble is that it's only going to be the Tories or Labour that get in here without proportional representation.
I always think about who I'm voting for but there's never been a time I could even consider voting for the other party ie the Tories so I feel I have no choice.
It's hardly even worth voting where I live as it's a true blue area and has always been so.
I still vote though.
Amerantin (former member) said:Critically, although the Tories portray themselves as the party of business etc, their talent pool has long since dried up and they haven’t been able to grow the economy meaningfully for a decade, so I’d argue that those concerned with acquisition of wealth would do well to vote for someone else.
Interesting point.
Amerantin (former member) said:most have more to lose - job, mortgage, savings whatever - than when they were 18 years old.
I think that those things = wealth though.
Re acquisition of wealth: it’s more complicated than that. People become more conservative as they get older, more risk averse, and most have more to lose - job, mortgage, savings whatever - than when they were 18 years old.
Critically, although the Tories portray themselves as the party of business etc, their talent pool has long since dried up and they haven’t been able to grow the economy meaningfully for a decade, so I’d argue that those concerned with acquisition of wealth would do well to vote for someone else.
In 1979 the majority of the young voted for Thatcher. So think about how old those people are now? And think about if their views have changed or not?
That's a good point I hadn't considered.
I think people are already looking at solutions which could be dangerous for the world and see a re-run of the 1930's
Scary thought ...
In 1979 the majority of the young voted for Thatcher. So think about how old those people are now? And think about if their views have changed or not? In my experience.a proportion of older people are still intellectually wedded to the idea that Thatcher was right. They are islands in a world of discord. When Rome burned it was probably a shock for the emperor! I fear for society I really do. I think people are already looking at solutions which could be dangerous for the world and see a re-run of the 1930's
2024's GE is looking a lot better for our perspective Deb. I hope that reassures you somewhat.
I found myself thinking about what grounds most people vote on.
From my own perspective, I look at what I think is best for society as a whole but in particular the most vulnerable, and that's made Labour always the horse out front.
And of course, what's best for the majority of society (esp financially) is often to the detriment of the most vulnerable.
However, I think lots of people vote for what's best for them and their family.
I suppose that's why some people change from Labour to Tory as they get older: the acquisition of wealth.
A decent proportion of people have voted for more than one party in their lives. I'd have to dig around a bit to fetch you a stat.2024's GE is looking a lot better for our perspective Deb. I hope that reassures you somewhat.
Age is one of the main indicators of voting intention these days. Of course not all the elderly are Conservatives. And not all the young are Socialists. But, if you Google to find a detailed GE voting intention poll it will have the figures for you. The stark difference between the generations will shock you.
OMG
Another stat I'd like to know then - although it may be in this article, I haven't read it.
What proportion of these older Tory voters are former Labour voters?
https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/26925-how-britain-voted-2019-general-election?redirect_from=%2Ftopics%2Fpolitics%2Farticles-reports%2F2019%2F12%2F17%2Fhow-britain-voted-2019-general-election
LucyLandRover said:you are so observant in your comment on the older generation still voting for the Torys
I'd like to see some stats on this.
Of course, some will but lots won't.
I'm a Labour voter and so are my friends (all 2 of them).
My friends in the past were Labour voters and I see no reason as they age for them to suddenly become Tory.
I think that this idea is using too broad a brush to colour people, personally.