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CHICKEN POX

hohner

I had Chicken Pox,, really bad when I was young, my two brothers also had the disease at the same time but laughed and skipped about eating Ice Cream, whilst I went into fever, a mass of spots and near death.

Anyone else with Autism experience Chicken Pox really badly ?

There is another reason why I write this post, my son also caught chicken pox and since then as been diagnosed also with Autism.

If I look at photos of him, he is a different person post chicken pox, you can see it in the photos of him quite evident.

 

  • Well that is what he said..., most patients with crohns disease have white faces(lack of red blood cells due to high white cell count), red clothes(reminds the patient to stop, by a strict upbringing, thus unflexible mind thus suppressed thinking(expression) (autism as well)... Just the messenger of WHAT?!

    Try the groundnut peanut oil, said one nut to another. Innocent

  • hohner said:

    Well that is what he said..., most patients with crohns disease have white faces(lack of red blood cells due to high white cell count), red clothes(reminds the patient to stop, by a strict upbringing, thus unflexible mind thus suppressed thinking(expression) (autism as well)... Just the messenger of WHAT?!

    Try the groundnut peanut oil, said one nut to another. Innocent

    I hardly ever wear red clothes. In fact I've maybe got a total of 3 items of clothing that are red, that I can think of off the top of my head. So there's that one blown ut of the water.

    As for a strict upbringing, inflexible mind, and suppressed thinking. Yeah, right. My parents are pretty liberal, we were never told what to think, and whilst we were punished when we were perceived to have done something wrong (and, honestly, we mostly deserved it) my brother and I were allowed to play outside, and go wandering around the fields, getting up to all sorts of, frankly, quite dangerous, mischief at times.

    I am also one of the most open minded people I know.

    So, the only thing that even slightly fits is the pale face - but as you point out that comes down to the biological processes that are part of having Crohn's disease - and isn't generally true most of the time any more as the condition is now under control.

  • hohner said:

    Crohns disease, rigid thinking by strict upbringing, wearing red clothes, white face, blood to the bowels, suppressed thinking, this was the conclusion of a top crohns professor. Any thoughts ?

    The only thought I have is "WHAT?!" 

  • Crohns disease, rigid thinking by strict upbringing, wearing red clothes, white face, blood to the bowels, suppressed thinking, this was the conclusion of a top crohns professor. Any thoughts ?  

    My own research indicates it is the bodies own bacteria on micro-hairs of the bowel, being down in number due to pathogens higher amounts, so the immune system kicks into fast and attacks the pathogen bacteria, but without the protection of the mucus and friendly micro-bacteria living on hairlines, inflammation occurs which promotes more pathogen attack to immune system(white blood cell) creation hence the white face, PEANUT(Ground nut) OIL has been experimented with in Oxford Uni as anti-flammatory protection and allows the friendly bacterial/ mucus and hairs to grow back on the intestines.

  • Jon said:

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    It's likely to be several genes, hence the spectrum of conditions, involved, but yes, as myself and other keep on having to repeatedly state the scientific understanding of the Autistic Spectrum conditions is that they are caused by inherited genes. Whether you wish to call those genes 'mutated' really comes down to your view of Autism, I think.

    ....mutation=evolution......

    Indeed. I guess I should have written "Whether you wish to call those genes 'mutated' really comes down to your view of Autism, and/or your view of genetic mutation, I think".

  • Scorpion0x17 said:

    It's likely to be several genes, hence the spectrum of conditions, involved, but yes, as myself and other keep on having to repeatedly state the scientific understanding of the Autistic Spectrum conditions is that they are caused by inherited genes. Whether you wish to call those genes 'mutated' really comes down to your view of Autism, I think.

    ....mutation=evolution......

  • NAS5794 said:

    So the concordance rate for autism in identical twins is 82%? Interesting. I didn't know it was caused by a mutated gene.

    It's likely to be several genes, hence the spectrum of conditions, involved, but yes, as myself and other keep on having to repeatedly state the scientific understanding of the Autistic Spectrum conditions is that they are caused by inherited genes. Whether you wish to call those genes 'mutated' really comes down to your view of Autism, I think.

  • Hohner,

    I have Crohn's disease. And so does my sister.

    I have Asperger's. She does not (or any Autistic Spectrum condition).

    Crohn's is also a primarily genetic disease.

    And the higher than normal incidence of Crohn's in the Autistic population suggests nothing more than a link between the underlying genetic causes of them both.

    Once again, correlation does not imply causality.

    It can however imply a link between the underlying causes of the different conditions.

    Genes are very complex, and there is not a gene for Autism, or a gene for Crohn's, but rather it is the interactions between numerous proteins coded for by several genes (and possibly environmently occuring chemical factors) that cause conditions and diseases such as Autism and Crohn's.

  • I was thinking more down the auto-immune reaction malfunction, having a low bone density due to autism. Ruts disease so to say Wink seriously. The environmental factors which a normal bone density person it does not affect. Take high IBS bowels, crohns disease in the autism spectrum,, disease is playing a higher reactionary role in my mind, hence a possible long-term DNA mutation, hence numbers are going up and up.

  • NAS5794 said:
    I've been studying schizophrenia at school, and the concordance rate for identical twins is 48%. Since it's not 100%, it's not purely down to genetics. However, I don't know if any such statistic exists for autism. If it does, and it's 100%, then all the people looking for some other cause, or even a link, would have their answer.

    That's because schizophrenia is the result of psychological damage.

    Anyone can become schizophrenic given the right (or should that be wrong?) psychological inputs.

    However, some are genetically more susceptable to it.

    So, if one twin is expossed to a psyhcologically damaging event and the other is not, one will become schizophrenic, the other will not.

    Unlike Autism you are not born with schizophrenia, you develop it.

     

    Regarding Autism, twins, and the genetics of Autism - here's a page I just found with a quick google search and have only skim read, but looks interesting:

    http://www.actionbioscience.org/genomic/dougherty.html

  • hohner said:

    These are my own original thoughts based on personal experience, the autism was noted post-chickenpox.  How do other people think there maybe a link with autism and chickenpox ? Sounds to me like a touchy subject for you Scorpion ? 

    Not a 'touchy subject'.

    It's just that it seems like every other day there's a new post on here saying "X happened, and then my son/daughter/partner/whatever was diagnosed with autism" usually followed by either a question, implication, or explicit statement, about how the two things must be linked.

    But 99 times out of 100, maybe even 999 times out 1000, or 9999 out of 10000, there is no link.

    It's coincidence.

    As the previous poster said, most children get Chicken Pox. If there was a causal link between Chicken Pox and Autism, there would be a lot more people on the Autistic Spectrum!

    The sun also rose, and set, the day before every person that's ever been diagnosed with an Autistic Spectrum condition was born. Does that mean that if you're born on a day after a day in which the Sun rose, and set, then you'll be Autistic?! No, of course it doesn't! The two things are not causally linked! It is pure (and, in this example, unavoidable) coincidence.

  • Why would there be a link between the two? I seem to remember that a lot of children get chicken pox. In fact, I think it's unusual not to have them. I never had chicken pox. I just had bad reactions to everything.

  • These are my own original thoughts based on personal experience, the autism was noted post-chickenpox.  How do other people think there maybe a link with autism and chickenpox ? Sounds to me like a touchy subject for you Scorpion ?

     

  • hohner said:

    2/2 so far

    Are you thinking there some kind of link between being Autistic and catching Chicken Pox?

     

    Do we, the NAS forum community, have to go down this road yet again?

  • I had a really mild case of chickenpox when I was 6 years old. I even went to school with it before we knew I had it!. It started on my hand, where most of the spots were, and then it covered the whole of one arm, and a few spots on my back. I had no fever or any other symptoms, apart from a slight burning sensation on the hand, which caused acute discomfort that only lasted a day. A couple of weeks later, my younger brother came down with it. His pox was really bad, covering his whole body, and at first  my parents thought he had measles!. He is not on the spectrum.

  • I never had chicken pox. My brother and sister did though.

  • Yeah, I had chicken pox.

    Still have the scars to prove it.

    Don't remember it being too bad.

    Also recently had shingles (which is the same virus - you get chicken pox, it then goes dormant, and years later it comes back out as shingles).