What Happens If Someone Tries A Discussion About "Ecology Versus Economy " ("Climate Change") Upon This Forum

... Greetings to All especially to those whom have contributed to this Thread so far...! 

Thank You all, I have learnt much about the business, I shall try to recall all of it --- please do not get overly hostile or else this Thread may get deleted, yet I shall still try to remember and heed the knowledge presented within it...! Also I apologise if I have missed a reply and not voted it up. I am sort of glad of having begun this Thread; judging from the responses, it does indeed seem to have 'plugged a gap'...

The thing is... I have slightly altered the TITLE now, in attempt to focuss upon how I Myself see all of this "climate change" business. I shall/have added "Ecology Versus Economy", which is more towards how I see things. As this Thread is so far, I really truly mean the Thanks for the replies so far.

...It is difficult to keep track of all of the *factions* involved, but I see things from a more basic point-of-view, and so after all of that I attempt to bring in a bit of focus which may either provide perspective or not be understood... I Myself see it as linked to this entire debate yet also not know if anyone else does. (I could start a separate Thread, but am trying to keep it to this one here, to see if anyone else gets the connections or not.)

...Another post may follow. But again I *really truly mean* the Thank You to those who have posted so far! 

The UK data goes back to 1884... I accept the UK has better records than some other countries, but that's not to say there's no data other than NOAA.

Do you mean the UN Sustainable Development Goals? They've always looked quite reasonable to me. Which ones do you find problematic?

That was not my point.

The opinions about climate change are divided and there are powerful money lobbies on both sides of the divide.  It is not at all my intent to comment on the substance as it will only result in division, which is unnecessary on this forum. 

My point is we should not second ableist line of attack on Greta's autism as it diminishes us all and perpetuates damaging stereotypes. Autistic people do have their own opinions and autonomy of mind and body, acting freely for themselves. We are not puppets because of autism.

There is NO historic data from around the world and NOAA are faking the only data to justify global warming - and if you follow the money, it all leads back to Soros.        It's a multi-Trillion-dollar scam to install socialism / big government, high-taxation and a massive wealth-redistribution from the poor to the rich.     The people of The West are 'too free' and that can't be allowed.   

Look at UN Agenda 2030 and really read its contents - their plans for us are truly SCARY - but most people are in blissful ignorance while they watch Eastenders and BGT.

The UK met office data (https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/research/climate/maps-and-data/data/index) also shows a similar temperature pattern to the NOAA data over the past century.

For climate change to be a hoax, it would require the meteorological offices and climate scientist from countries all over the world to co-ordinate in "doctoring" their collected data. The amount of people that this would involve makes me doubt this could be faked. Getting governments to agree on anything is difficult enough at the best of times.

Greta is a total fake.    She was spotted by a US left-wing group and used in a coordinated push by media companies to sway the recent climate conferences.         It's classic "Won't someone think of the children?" rhetoric.

https://www.facebook.com/officialbenshapiro/videos/198955894574668/

Ben Shapiro spells it out.

Niemand said:

When Thunberg goes off message it is very obvious she is lost, and her handlers don't like that.

I don'y know whether climate activists use Greta;s autism as a shield, I am no sure what benefit they derive from it as she is on the receiving end of a lot of attacks specifically on her autism. The  climate denial people always attack her autism by exploiting prejudice and undermining her agency by asserting that sh is merely a puppet.

One should be careful with this invalidating perspective as it affects all autistic people. The argument that our views are not valid and that we act only as puppets is profoundly discriminatory and diminishes all people with disabilities.

I'm an engineer.    I do not care about all the garbage we're being fed about the climate hoax - the biggest hoax perpetrated on the populations of the world,

If you look at 100 years of the world's climate data, there is basically NONE.      That's right - NONE.     Only the US has reliable data over that period - South America, Asia, Russia, India, Africa - and even Europe - there's only very little, patchy data.       Unfortunately, NOAA is manipulating the data to 'prove' global warming - even though the data shows a slight cooling which corresponds with the Sun's output.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2012/06/13/doctored-data-not-u-s-temperatures-set-a-record-this-year/

Up to 50% of the 'recorded data' is actually made up data from a computer model that is designed to show warming.

Greta is a sad, brainwashed child-puppet, made to order by an American left-wing news agency.     I feel sorry for her.   Her parents are monsters for training her to the point that she's burning out from anxiety about the end of the world.       It's sad to see her 'protesting' in Sweden  when her minders and handlers and publicists hugely out-number the press and other protesters.     It's all FAKE.

China has said they will not even consider looking at their carbon footprint until after 2035.    India is one of the largest polluters on the planet - they don't care either.

Politically, it's all about introducing socialism / communism / tyranny via the back door - and our children are being indoctrinated from an early age - classic Marxist policy - get them when they are too young to question anything.     Look into the TRILLIONS being scammed from Carbon Credit trading.     If you tell a lie for long enough, it becomes the truth.

The 97% BS.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewJ6TI8ccAw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnnDOMyZjbE

Now don't get me wrong, I am totally for sensible care of our planet, but the climate change hoax is a religion that I'm not willing to take part in.

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Also - did you know that the BBC created a company that promotes the climate change con?      So their 'independent scientists' they have on their news are, in a way, their own employees pushing their fake climate agenda.

The BBC are so confident in their scam that their pension fund is heavily invested into this company - conflict of interest?   Impartial?    It's a massive fraud.

Greta is a privileged sock puppet.

VIVA Greta Thunberg

no one knows for sure 

I *do* care very much about her economic background. It explains a lot. The upper echelons have always felt it's their duty to lecture those below them. The message changes, the manner does not. In a past age, she would have been telling us peasants about the evils of drink or how sinful we are all. The upper class has always been right and the proles have been wrong according to themselves. It's self-rationalisation for their privilege. That is why she continually pushes solutions which won't hurt rich people like her but do hurt the poor.

Anyway, she is clearly a front for others. She becomes utterly lost when she has no script. Look her up on Youtube. It is DESPICABLE that her handlers have used her autism as a shield from criticism. 

One of Prince Charles' family hobbies is to blast animals out of the air, so I'm taking no green lectures off that lot. His family should have been removed centuries ago as a feudal anachronism.

I dont care about Greta's economic background. She is doing the right thing and I will support her. I likewise support Prince Charles efforts and all other people who are fighting to save the planet eg  Green Party, Greenpeace, WWF, birds people(RSPB), anglers, fishermen.

I am just particularily proud that it takes an autistic person to ram it into the politicians in a clear autistic way. She was at the point of death until her father and mother started to change their ways to be more environmental and take her seriously. 

VIVA Greta Thunberg

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yes your teleconferencing is completely correct.

trains should be subsidized (given same fuel tax break as aerofuel ).

i agree with more competitve electric car prices. 

charging points wont be so difficult. Every lamp post could have one.

home worker should be a legal requirement for anyone commuting in more then 10 miles.

all hail aidie. do as i say. NOW ! lol

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i agree

The solution will probably come in form of technological innovation. Have you noticed that most car advertisement on TV are now for electric? It will come to fruition at some point. I am afraid it might also come in a shape of artificial lab grown meat. Natural produce will become a luxury for the rich.

One of these politicians produces more pollution in a single flight to a climate change conference than a car does in a year. Yet one person gets paid to do that out of public funds and the other ends up penalised. And the politician could do all that with teleconferencing while some work requires a vehicle (e.g. plumbing)

It's the same thing with cars. If they want people to use trains, then make them cheaper. If they want people to use electric cars, then don't just put up the price of ordinary cars, make electric cars competitive and supply charging points in remote areas.

I have the idea that we all pollute our environment in many ways that are immediately dangerous, 

petrol chemicals nuclear leaks and other ways that will take time to become obvious like radio wave causing cancer and damaging DNA of all things in nature.

 Not so often talked about GMO pollution which should be included in climate change but never is,

Water theft to feed huge farms like Avacardo farms in South America. 

But honestly the most hideously egregious is the dumping of waste into the sea.

All of these things are done buy giant corporation that are without impunity.

As everyday people we at most litter and drive cars and are subsequently taxed for this trespass. 

And why do all these solutions seem to involve punishing the poor more than the rich, or even worse, various people jetting to Davos or other junkets. Something not right here.

Witness also the kid gloves Extinction Rebellion gets compared to other protest groups. 

Greta's handlers use her autism as a shield for criticism of their programme. Shameful.Itis obvious she is a front, and a close examination of what XR wants includes a lot of things which will work against the working class. It is curious how much of a free pass XR gets off the British government compared to strikers or poll tax protesters, or even football fans.