-HOW I SEE THE WORLD

National Banks are not really banks in that sense though - they're more like regulators, and often are little more than an arm of the Government.

Also, QE isn't really just like creating more money, in an entirely artificial sense - the central bank buys financial assests using money it creates, but those financial assests must, in some sense, exist, in order for them to be bought.

And it's not national debt that it eases - it eases private debt, by injecting money into the economy - i.e. into the pockets of private banks and/or corporations - it does not lower the money the country owes to others.

Scorpion0x17 said:

[quote]I don't accept we have a deficit. It's just numbers on a computer.[/quote]

In a sense you are correct, however, whichever way you look at it, the argument is essentially circular - we have a deficit precisely because those numbers on computers say we do.

Every country in the world can't be skint unless states don't run countries. However any notion of banks/corporations running states is quickly dismissed.

Banks don't own or run countries, however they do lend money, money that countries borrow.

That's how so many countries can all be broke all the same time.

They don't owe money to each other - they owe it to non-state entities (i.e. banks).

Each country could quantative ease all national debt. Every single nation could make an agreement. No country would be devalued against the other, no one would suffer. Hey presto.

Apart from Iran, North Korea and Cuba every country has a national bank.

Banks and Corporations have far more clout than MP's, Prime Ministers etc.

"Permit me to issue and control the money of a nation, and I care not who makes its laws!“ - Mayer Amschel Rothschild (1744-1812)

One last post then I have to go to bed.

Money is debt the link below has the most comprehensive explanation in one page

-- link removed by philippab - mod --

Also it isn't a recession- it's a robbery asset stripping society.

If you have enough wealth then you can make huge profits on a falling market by short selling.

Short selling is basically borrowing stock from brokering firm and betting it will be worth less- if price drops as you predict you can make the difference.

 www.guardian.co.uk/.../thomas-cook-short-sellers

Luxury car makers like Rolls Royce are benefiting as super rich buy more.

Banks and state are both guilty of asset stripping society, the pantomine is just that. The Eton and Oxford crew will never roll on their own.

Logic shows a

state wedding 

Jubilee

Olympics

The few rich do not care about the majority, infact they see us as sheeple in a field to be shawn.

Sheep in a field is an accurate definition of society- limited freedom within an open prison 

Goatworshiper said:

I don't accept we have a deficit. It's just numbers on a computer.

In a sense you are correct, however, whichever way you look at it, the argument is essentially circular - we have a deficit precisely because those numbers on computers say we do.

Every country in the world can't be skint unless states don't run countries. However any notion of banks/corporations running states is quickly dismissed.

Banks don't own or run countries, however they do lend money, money that countries borrow.

That's how so many countries can all be broke all the same time.

They don't owe money to each other - they owe it to non-state entities (i.e. banks).

Goatworshiper said:

I see the world exactly as Stuffed discribes. I meet people and think you just another moronic consumer of particular variety. Admitedly I consume quite a bit collecting records, I see my own hypocracy. I find the upsurge in religion alarming, people are clingin to it more so in the last few years I find.

I don't accept we have a deficit. It's just numbers on a computer. Every country in the world can't be skint unless states don't run countries. However any notion of banks/corporations running states is quickly dismissed.

To the state I am a social parriah, it is easier to belittle me than acknowledge me.

George Carlin is great.

George carlin was right on the money, there is evidence that JFK was assassinated as he had officially started to disassemble the federal reserve (lends money to US government plus interest). The autopsy the second clue. JFK wanted Dollar backed by phisical assets including land and buildings etc

I call a spade a spade ( garden implement before anyone starts) as you have said you feel hypocritical for consumerism, but weaning yourself off it is hard after a lifetime of indoctrination.

Money is long removed from the gold standard, but that is irrelevant as the state signs it's slaves up as guarantee of it's debts and the national debt is a workhouse treadmill with tax, threats and half truths

If you think I'm wrong then consider how Greece and other Europe countries bailed out will repay the debt.

All that has been lost is confidence on an artificial market

Cuba had to grow food to survive, the bailed out countries should have gracefully disengaged and if need be dug for victory.

Statue law is in a way very like religion, those in control don't practice what they preach and act with immunity.

I wonder as things deteriorate and they will (history repeats) as the Euro Zone eventually goes into terminal melt down, whether we will see the reemerging or groups like Baader Meinhof and the Angry Brigade.

I know the social Pariah situation, when I have had visits it is quite amusing how they treat you as an imbecile- and quite amusing to use it to your advantage.

Bottom line is we are the unwanted section of society, bright enough to know things are not as they seem- yet state can't rein us in and work us like the drones.

My local services Key Worker and Social worker are preachers of we'll see. The truth is that nothing is going to change and they promise things they don't do.

I also find my diagnosis a rigid box that people will not accept isn't verbatim of what the so called experts suggest.

They do not understand I can behave like you would never know I had a diagnosis, but such environments I find gradually increase stress on a increasing percentage level.

I now remove myself from such situations when I know it is reaching a certain point- years ago I had a situation that I couldn't get away from and the official line was over stimulation reaction.

I can't really remember anything other than feeling very stressed out. Now my excuse is a toilet break or similar to remove myself from such situations politely.

I also am acutely sensitive to certain noises I find either extremely irritating or torturous like transformer hum in electrical items.

I have had the diagnosis before it became popular and it has only brought discrimination-I really wish services would focus on what people can do. I do what I can but have some health problem that stop me doing all I'd like to do.

I would at this point like to say I'm pleasantly surprised at the depth of discussion and the mutual respect of responses- if only everyday life was as intellectually appealing.

I see the world exactly as Stuffed discribes. I meet people and think you just another moronic consumer of particular variety. Admitedly I consume quite a bit collecting records, I see my own hypocracy. I find the upsurge in religion alarming, people are clingin to it more so in the last few years I find.

I don't accept we have a deficit. It's just numbers on a computer. Every country in the world can't be skint unless states don't run countries. However any notion of banks/corporations running states is quickly dismissed.

To the state I am a social parriah, it is easier to belittle me than acknowledge me.

George Carlin is great.

Yes I see us moving closer to a tipping point, enough people thrown out of work and struggling would be fertile ground for change- if there is hope for the demoralized.

The state can't hurt me- everything that has been done to me so far just galvanizes my desire for change.

There is hope for the future.  There is intelligence and there are a great many people who share your sort of perception.  We actually get closer to what you and I and many others would like to see every day, often in small, almost imperceptible steps.  And the answer is education, in part, as always, but there is no simple, radical solution because people are what people are.

That is hugely frustrating, but it remains true.  Be very wary of anyone who promises otherwise.

Consumerism has, indeed, created the medium through which we are having this discussion and without which it is unlikely it would ever have happened.  It has given you a voice and it means that you can be heard, have been heard.  And that is the way forward.  Look for those others who share your views and look for realistic solutions, and try to be patient, as hard as it is.  Evil exists in the world, but there is a lot more good out there than most of us can, most of the time, imagine.

Your last paragraph I think that people think that a hero will save them, but what is really needed is change from within, an awakening to a new possibility and self empowerment to do it.

The question is other than ignore BS State  hassle- how to bring about change directly.

writing to an MP or  Demonstration will not change things!

Hi again, Stuffed,

I read what you write with a lot of interest.

You write against riots and violence, but then refer to the Munich Putsch and to Hitler offering 'hope'.  I know how you meant it, by the way, and I've been there.  There is something in the National Socialist dream which is very attractive and it is a great shame that it contains a natural flaw which will always make it dangerous.

Make me 'Fuhrer' of Britain tomorrow and all your principal problems and concerns will be over - I will end poverty, end insecurity and make sure that everyone with any different or special need is taken care of.  Oh, I would love to do it.

Yet the fact is that from the first moment this would be dangerous.  I am a genuine 'good guy' and could be totally incorruptible in the service of my country and humanity, but I am vulnerable too.  Vulnerable to the politics of the ambitious which create and sustain the current mess, vulnerable to coup and assassination, even, in time, to death through old age.  And who picks up the gauntlet when I fall?  Moving from democracy, whoever picks up that gauntlet has tremendous power to undo any good that has been done, and worse.

Bad as things are, now, they could be far worse, and bad as things are, now, they ARE much worse in a great many other countries.

There is hope for the future.  There is intelligence and there are a great many people who share your sort of perception.  We actually get closer to what you and I and many others would like to see every day, often in small, almost imperceptible steps.  And the answer is education, in part, as always, but there is no simple, radical solution because people are what people are.

That is hugely frustrating, but it remains true.  Be very wary of anyone who promises otherwise.

Consumerism has, indeed, created the medium through which we are having this discussion and without which it is unlikely it would ever have happened.  It has given you a voice and it means that you can be heard, have been heard.  And that is the way forward.  Look for those others who share your views and look for realistic solutions, and try to be patient, as hard as it is.  Evil exists in the world, but there is a lot more good out there than most of us can, most of the time, imagine.

Look for ways to harness it.

Warmest best wishes

Patiens

When religion is given credibility it allows social conditioning, religion in my opinion prays on the feeble minded by giving them a way out of reality.

Part of my dislike is religion given any credibility, dinosaurs,crusades with both sides had god on their side.

Then this guff about eternal damnation etc and the fact that this alleged god does not intervene because he does not exist.

But as I said before the feeble minded believe the illusion of it being real whilst being indoctrinated.

Lets also not put religion as benign the Muslims have female genital mutilation and the Catholics seem to bury pedophile and care home abuse scandals.

The new religion is consumerism and self ego-simple things as common decency and self reliance seem to have given way to a class of more stupid individuals unable to take responsibility for themselves.

HSE v Common Sense

www.youtube.com/watch

Religion: I am an atheist, but can understand why people are religious and want to believe in something higher than what we currently have. I am a socialist, and socialism is a form of Religion because it believes that there is more to life than what we currently have. Only it is a practical religion because it combines idealism with materialism in attempting to create a heaven on earth  - not a perfect world (that would be Utopian and probably would not be a nice world - see Huxley's Brave New World), but a world in which poverty no longer exists and  material insecurity no longer exists.

So I understand the appeal of religion, but superstition is illogical. I have read the whole bible and it is full of contradictions. The Christ story does not make logical sense and is so stupid as to be laughable. Having to bow down to a higher being seems stupid and servile too - God the construct is a dictator. Essentially believing in absolutes - absolute human-rights, equality for all - is a spiritual/religious desire. I quite like Buddhism, but this is more a philosophy than a religion.

The main reason why I am against organized religion (as opposed to private beliefs) is because it is institutionally homophobic and misogynistic.

Atheism means not believing in theism, but does not mean you cannot have spiritual beliefs or believe in higher ideals. Atheists are in fact often more religious than true believers!

Patiens said:

Hi Stuffed

Sorry I couldn't get back to you last night.

I've seen the Truman film and the first Matrix film, though I remember little about the latter, but few truths are written in the products of American popular movies.  I write as a published writer, a man dedicated to truth who knows that little truth remains once a story has become a product.

I guess I'm a lot older than you, too - I mean, it won't be all that long till I'm old enough to draw a pension, and I've lived in this society a long time.

"Through the lies and deception it is obvious the country is run by crooks and thieves..."

But which country, which society, isn't?  Do you think you would - or any of us would - fare better in France or Germany, China or Iran?

A revolution in thinking, a renaissance where consumerism is seen for the evil it is

There are conspiracies - the machinations of a political party, in and out of power, the deliberations of the managing boards of banks, multinationals and tin pot businesses - but those conspiracies are much the same everywhere, because people are much the same everywhere.  Not only that, but they pretty much always have been.

So people are weak or demoralized and will not hold their masters accountable, I honestly expected city bankers to receive frontier justice which they fully deserve.

There was no moral purpose, surely, behind the Roman invasion of Britain or, for that matter, behind Magna Carta.  

Why should we sit as consumers dependent on *** we really don't need and can't afford- consider we have a population explosion that has no purpose other than to consume.

The democracy whose principles you seem to value enfranchised only people of property, and then only men, until less than 100 years ago, whilst the women who strove so valiantly for the vote strove for it principally for the middle and upper classes to which they belonged.  It must have come as a bit of a nasty surprise to some when they discovered their tweenies and parlourmaids wanted a few minutes extra time off their 16 hour shifts to go trotting off to the polls.

If and only if the population is intelligence enough will they realize how badly they are treated- maybe a Munich beer hall push offering hope is the way to get people motivated

Perception modification has become more sophisticated as the political and wealth stakes have become higher and technology more advanced, but it has always been there.  The concept that the poor, for instance, are poor because of their own fecklessness and idleness seems to exist everywhere and to have existed pretty much through all time.  Ditto the concept that disability or differentness of almost any kind are judgments of God or Nature, and that the majority is always right.

Rioting and strikes are not the way forward, but disengaging with society then requires resource consuming state efforts, their are only approx 1000 prison places and if everyone acted in solidarity they would beat the system purely on resources expenditure.

It is reprehensible that poverty remains a prison for so many.  It was for me for a great many years and only now have I, temporarily, escaped it.  I say temporarily because my current home is a 'tied' home and when my partner and I reach retirement age we face a real risk of homelessness.

A home should be a right without fear or loss

www.simondale.net/.../

Just like you, I think, I hate the trash culture of modern times (though it is not exclusive to modern times) and I know there are better reasons to live, better things to enjoy and better things in which to find satisfaction than those things most people choose today.

There, for the moment, I have to leave it - I promised someone I would take them out this morning - but I look forward to continuing this discussion later, provided you remain interested in doing so.

Warmest best wishes to you,

Patiens

Lets face it a lot of adults are not that bright, perception is only as far as their insignificant lives, maybe a midlife crisis is when you realize just how screwed you really are?

Could history not teach us that the most powerful currency is hope, in an obtainable way it may be possible to change society.

Hitler was a monster, but he sold hope to the masses. He mocked their stupidity and realized perception was everything.

A viral internet ad could do the same!

Hi Stuffed

Sorry I couldn't get back to you last night.

I've seen the Truman film and the first Matrix film, though I remember little about the latter, but few truths are written in the products of American popular movies.  I write as a published writer, a man dedicated to truth who knows that little truth remains once a story has become a product.

I guess I'm a lot older than you, too - I mean, it won't be all that long till I'm old enough to draw a pension, and I've lived in this society a long time.

"Through the lies and deception it is obvious the country is run by crooks and thieves..."

But which country, which society, isn't?  Do you think you would - or any of us would - fare better in France or Germany, China or Iran?

There are conspiracies - the machinations of a political party, in and out of power, the deliberations of the managing boards of banks, multinationals and tin pot businesses - but those conspiracies are much the same everywhere, because people are much the same everywhere.  Not only that, but they pretty much always have been.

There was no moral purpose, surely, behind the Roman invasion of Britain or, for that matter, behind Magna Carta.  

The democracy whose principles you seem to value enfranchised only people of property, and then only men, until less than 100 years ago, whilst the women who strove so valiantly for the vote strove for it principally for the middle and upper classes to which they belonged.  It must have come as a bit of a nasty surprise to some when they discovered their tweenies and parlourmaids wanted a few minutes extra time off their 16 hour shifts to go trotting off to the polls.

Perception modification has become more sophisticated as the political and wealth stakes have become higher and technology more advanced, but it has always been there.  The concept that the poor, for instance, are poor because of their own fecklessness and idleness seems to exist everywhere and to have existed pretty much through all time.  Ditto the concept that disability or differentness of almost any kind are judgements of God or Nature, and that the majority is always right.

It is reprehensible that poverty remains a prison for so many.  It was for me for a great many years and only now have I, temporarily, escaped it.  I say temporarily because my current home is a 'tied' home and when my partner and I reach retirement age we face a real risk of homelessness.

Just like you, I think, I hate the trash culture of modern times (though it is not exclusive to modern times) and I know there are better reasons to live, better things to enjoy and better things in which to find satisfaction than those things most people choose today.

There, for the moment, I have to leave it - I promised someone I would take them out this morning - but I look forward to continuing this discussion later, provided you remain interested in doing so.

Warmest best wishes to you,

Patiens

I'm am calm,I know that basically I am untouchable-unwanted by society and it is interesting playing a mental chess game with adversaries- who treat you like an idiot.

Particularly when they containerize what they think you are.

It just frustrates me that there is a belief that everyone is helpless. I have met people with same diagnosis as me and it seems like a container to label people with.

With regards to religion I am an atheist and find religion another social crutch and to be honest fills a gap in the hash realities of life for some people. While I find it illogical, if it is at the more benign end of the scale and it isn't inflicted on me - so be it.

I find history fascinating and I think we are on the verge of a 1930's style crash.

Sometimes I smile when people write their fears and insecurities, I used to be like that until I realized- it is all an illusion. Having nailed an inner calm, I no longer worry- sure I get angry.

But the imagined fears are long gone.

Hey there Stuffed!

I think the world generally sucks and the people in it. I now live my life in as much isolation as I can. I keep myself to myself and do my thing (within the law of course) and try to avoid others.

I have learned that people judge me, assume things or make things up about me and are nasty about me behind my back or to my face and that includes church. I have belonged to 2 churches both of which couldn't handle anyone with autism like me. They thought I was badly behaved if I couldn't cope with certain things, they judged me too so I stopped going.

Government doesn't care about anything except lining their own pockets.

So you have to find a way you can cope in the world, a world that will discriminate against you and hate you because of who you are as a person on the spectrum.

I've found things I can do now that I like doing with out people in my face.

I have to work which is a pain but I cope with it and I have a good Mum who helps me cope with that side of my life.

But you can't change the world around you, you can only change what goes on inside you - I don't know if I can help other than to say you'll find a way through it and learn to let them get on with it while you do your thing.

www.youtube.com/watch

tracy Chapman Revolution-Didn't happen

Chris deburgh

www.youtube.com/watch

I don't know if you have seen the truman show film or the matrix film, but imagine a realisation that the society you were led to believe in was an illusion.

A society where you can sidestep the law and the police will do nothing for fear of revealing their own short comings.

Imagine you realise the rhetoric is just that and a theatrical costume and a piece of plastic no longer hold power over you.

Because you will not threaten harm and will not harm yourself and may or may not understand=lawless (tried and tested)

Through the lies and deception it is obvious the country is run by crooks and thieves, they use perception modification to attack the most vulnerable in society.

I wonder whether food,shelter and a simple life are truly more valuable than a globalized western lifestyle.

While calm I consider the invisible bars on my open prison, trapped by poverty and gradually tackling a lifetime of indoctrination and demoralizing peer pressure.

I find it offensive that pensioners,poor and disabled have the choice to eat or heat their homes,youth clubs are cut, operations are suspended.

BUT

Royal wedding goes ahead.

Jubilee goes ahead.

Olympics goes ahead.

I wrote to the pantomime queen and allegedly committed treason-no reply from the show pony.

I long for an age of enlightenment, where people realise the latest trash celb is just that, more to life than facebook and getting drunk at weekends.

A public empowered to act instead of bleating like sheep.

I'm embarrassed to be part of the uk annexation,pollution and killing.

I long for a sustainable life, a second world war style dig for victory-a more equitable life.

I also question the greed driven nuclear industry that has no way to deal with waste-answer is if it isn't engineering solvable and 100,000 years is not-logic says it is unsustainable.

Not being blinkered is a double edged sword!

Hello Stuffed.

You seem to be very angry?  You're probably entitled to be.  I don't have Asperger's, or anything else, but I know that I am lied to and misled, that, indeed, most of us are.  As often as not I think it is a result of incompetence, of people genuinely believing that they are much cleverer than they are, rather than the result of deliberate conspiracy.  I do not suggest that there are no conspiracies, of course.

I haven't time, I'm afraid, to look through so many Youtube vids.  It's not that I'm not interested, only that I'm under a lot of pressure of time.  Your post, though, sounds angry and unhappy and if you are either of those things I'd be glad to have that discussion you seem interested in - though I'd prefer to hear it in your own words.  I may not be bright enough to understand the subtexts of your chosen videos very well, so your own words would set that risk aside.

I am no-one of any great value, but if you're willing to talk I am willing to listen and to try to respond, though there would be a break between the 13th and the 25th when I might not be able to since I would be travelling.

Warmest best wishes to you, always,

Patiens