-HOW I SEE THE WORLD

philippab said:

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I'm fine thanks, though a discretionary gift or payment that may or may not be given-linked to possible hardship or death of a child is emotional blackmail and baseless.

I won't be suffering sense of humor failure

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No matter how heated the discussion, no name-calling please.

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philippab - mod

I'm sure you'll dismiss this as the rantings of a brainwashed sheep, and it may seem a little harsh, but:

If you can't afford to heat the place where you live, then you need to change the place where you live!

The right to a comfortable home is not the right to live anywhere you wish.

Oh, and do you think QE and devaluation is a good thing?

Unchecked devaluation leads to real-terms price rises.

Real-terms price rises lead to unaffordable food.

Unaffordable food leads to food shortage.

Food shortage leads to starvation.

You see whilst the 'value' of 'money' has, to some extent, become divorced from the physical resources it was once tied to, do they do still share the same living space - planet earth - and whilst 'money' is indeed not finite, the planet's resources, and the work that can be done to process those resources, are!

Your £13 a week 'hobby' could be costing a child it's life.

We don't need another hero

www.youtube.com/.../Tina_Turner

I like this tune

www.youtube.com/watch Sounds like my life

Goatworshiper said:

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Stuffed - you must be a kindred spirit! I admire how you see the world, your refusal to submit to this totalitarian regime which hates the poor and serves the rich - good on you! . I don't know your personal situation and so will not judge it, but I think your refusal to always go along with things is admirable. Of course you should be able to heat your home and have enough to eat, and if this means not going along with the system, then so be it. Life comes before all high-minded scruples about morality and so forth.

I agree.

I would love to break free of the system or be part of a fairer system but struggle to do so. I found being unemployed harder than working. Each however is as demoralising as each other.

I'm not big on the media but occasionally watch RT (Russia Today), they have a excellent financial analyst called Max Kaiser on there who talks about artificial markets and financial terrorist.

I also aggree about the janitor comment. I like a band called Killing Joke and the singer frequently talks about no one really owns land, you just rent it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRv5MFipqwU

I don't know if you like thier music, but you may be interested in a lot of concepts they write about. They have a recent album called Absolute Dissent, which I think is a fantastic name for an album.

Have a feeling this would sound better loud, but neighbours are old and asleep by now- l will listen tomorrow.

Old but www.youtube.com/watch kind of sums life up

www.youtube.com/watch I have actually seen them live many years ago

Hope said:

Stuffed - you must be a kindred spirit! I admire how you see the world, your refusal to submit to this totalitarian regime which hates the poor and serves the rich - good on you! . I don't know your personal situation and so will not judge it, but I think your refusal to always go along with things is admirable. Of course you should be able to heat your home and have enough to eat, and if this means not going along with the system, then so be it. Life comes before all high-minded scruples about morality and so forth.

I agree.

I would love to break free of the system or be part of a fairer system but struggle to do so. I found being unemployed harder than working. Each however is as demoralising as each other.

I'm not big on the media but occasionally watch RT (Russia Today), they have a excellent financial analyst called Max Kaiser on there who talks about artificial markets and financial terrorist.

I also aggree about the janitor comment. I like a band called Killing Joke and the singer frequently talks about no one really owns land, you just rent it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRv5MFipqwU

I don't know if you like thier music, but you may be interested in a lot of concepts they write about. They have a recent album called Absolute Dissent, which I think is a fantastic name for an album.

Scorpion0x17

Consider the Hypocrites are the officials and organizations who claim to be experts and charge large consultancy fees- by will not help me or us.

So if £13 a week or so  hobby sticks in your throat even though it only pays for my heating oil- I challenge you to find a better way.

I tire of the promise of tomorrow that never comes, pleading to two faced hypocrites who don't and won't live as we do.

Scorpion0x17 you have yet to provide a viable alternative and i won't wait on a maybe sometime never.

While I don't advocate my current method to others, I have yet so see a viable alternative

Scorpion0x17 in a way you remind me of Neo on the Matrix.

Red or Blue pill?

You talk of Money as you believe it to be finite, try Quantitive easing and Devaluing it causes.

Money is an implied value backed by an implied value and only because you believe a printed note has value and others will accept it does it have any credibility.

I think your stuck in a naive demoralized vicious circle- imprisoned by the system you know is crooked.

I look Forward to your suggestions for change now

Scorpion0x17

I do not see the legitimacy of current society, I live in a rural area which the bus service is non existent, my home was provided by relatives as the council and Social workers couldn't find anything suitable.

Whether you like it or not the council allow £5 week for heating and want £160 month back in charges- when I present water Rates and heating oil that has doubled in price in 3 years, these will not be counted.

So lets be abundantly clear about this

• I see no wrong or issue in finding a way to keep warm
• I see no legitimacy in the state- find me a way to OPT OUT officially and I'll do it
• Someone I have never met has no authority over me and without consent it is Slavery

You see the problems and yet you get righteous defending a system you agree is flawed- now who is a hypocrite!

I know complaining to supposed elected representatives is useless!

Demonstrations are useless!

Please explain without violent direct action what avenues I have and work is a strong term for a Hobby of less than 10 hours a week and approx £13 week

This poverty, but we're happy does not cut it with me,

If Social services want to pay all my bills and deliver my food and supply my transport- let them it would cost them more.

Stuffed said:

You see the problems and yet you get righteous defending a system you agree is flawed.

Again, I am (A) not getting righteous, and (B) am not defiending the system.

What I am doing is simply stating that I dislike the hypocrisy of your moral stance against greed whilst you, apparently, cheat the system in order to get more than you otherwise would.

If you first apply the standards, that you wish to apply to others, to yourself, then I will happily join you, with my torch and pitchfork, in the fight to get more for all people in our position.

Lifting yourself out of the gutter, whilst standing on the heads of others, is greed, pure and simple.

It is not your view of the system that I dislike, Stuffed, for that is something I whole heartedly agree with.

It is your actions as you have described them - by 'cheating (or 'working' if you prefer) the system' to get more for yourself you deprive others in the same situation as yourself.

I too am on benefits, and, if I recall a previous post of yours correct, receive less money than you, but I can afford to eat, to heat my home, and even to save money, because I live within my budget!

In fact, I have lived on a lot less than I get now, and managed (though I did run up debts during that period).

And it is your hypocrisy - you rail against greed, but you display it yourself within your actions!

So whilst I fully subscribe to your world view, I can not, and will not, condone your apparent actions.

Fighting the system should not invlove screwing over those in the same situation as yourself.

You use the holocaust victims as an example - well, it sounds very much like you would have sold out your neighbours in order to save your own back - an action that was as bad as, if not worse than, those of the Nazi army conscripts who were not fully aware of the consequences of their actions.

Off a random site via google search-but love the image. Don't shoot the messenger and think for yourself

GRATE BRITAIN by Embed

Hope said:

Stuffed - you must be a kindred spirit! I admire how you see the world, your refusal to submit to this totalitarian regime which hates the poor and serves the rich - good on you! . I don't know your personal situation and so will not judge it, but I think your refusal to always go along with things is admirable. Of course you should be able to heat your home and have enough to eat, and if this means not going along with the system, then so be it. Life comes before all high-minded scruples about morality and so forth.

I agree and feel no remorse or feel I have done wrong in what I do

I do not recognise legitimacy of society of society that tells me I'm unable and won't support me- if they ever try to act against me it would be hilarious as I have their own paperwork.

Chances are all they will do is make threats as otherwise they would have to do more.

As intervention will not change my views and I have no desire to harm or self harm I'm not detainable under mental health act.

Pink Floyd Brick in the wall

www.youtube.com/watch

Having exhausted all other avenues a hero is not going to come to my rescue and I don't believe in miracles.

LEONARD COHEN - WAITING FOR THE MIRACLE

www.youtube.com/watch

As for Capacity for work, not going to happen as they have left me alone for years and have nothing to threaten me with that I would fear.

As for Ian Duncan Smith and David Cameron I'm sure would have us gassed if they could as we are seen as the offal of society.

The Parlor Mob - Into The Sun OFFICIAL

Unless a hero is going to my assistance I'd love to be officially stateless and a benificiary without fear or threat.

Stuffed - you must be a kindred spirit! I admire how you see the world, your refusal to submit to this totalitarian regime which hates the poor and serves the rich - good on you! . I don't know your personal situation and so will not judge it, but I think your refusal to always go along with things is admirable. Of course you should be able to heat your home and have enough to eat, and if this means not going along with the system, then so be it. Life comes before all high-minded scruples about morality and so forth.

How about a tune

www.youtube.com/watch

or rap verison

www.youtube.com/watch

Your entitled to your opinion and whether you like or dislike me is not my concern, in fact I will not lose a minutes sleep over it and Peer pressure has no effect on me.

When given the choice of blind compliance or being able to eat and heat my home- I'm going to make sure I can eat and heat my home.

 Do as I say and not do as I do drones-Why should I beg with an unjust system and hypocrites that administer it.

It is well known that Autism and poverty go hand in hand- nobody is my master and in fact my only regret is not realizing more years ago.

Your response was a predictable reaction and I actually feel pity for you you would rather I couldn't heat my home and followed some absurd rules- it shows you prefer a pack mentality over logical self preservation-maybe your see this, but the chances are not high.

I find history fascinating and in fact such things as Nazi occupation and Warsaw Ghetto uprising. I wonder if the people Hitler sent to death camps realized they were going to death camps and felt so demoralized they could not act?

Was this how such a horrific situation continued and was it why normal soldiers committed atrocities as they followed the pack and were fed propaganda de humanizing the Jews?

A second one to ponder Conscription those in power sit in their offices and force others to fight.

Lastly one for you imagine your country has been occupied, lets say your in France in WWII, the rule of law has been taken over by an aggressor.

If you will not blindly comply are you a resistance freedom fighter or a terrorist?

I can also PROVE that Blair and Bush used Depleted Uranium Weapons they knew would poison indiscriminately, a Kuala Lumpur  court used Hague Convention rules to find them both WAR CRIMINALS.

Our beloved country used it's loyal servicemen as test guinea pigs

www.guardian.co.uk/.../military.robevans

Scorpion0x17 I can provide verifiable authentic information that government does not act in our best interests, it is unlikely you will change your opinion from my experience and I fully expect righteous indignation 

In fact while it remains respectfully polite I will happily discuss with people and politely respond to opinions whether I agree or not.

www.youtube.com/watch

May the discussion continue

You know what, Stuffed, the more I read of what you post, the more I dislike you.

Not because I am brainwashed, but because it's people like you, who see cheating the system as a game, that make it hard for the rest of us.

Your hypocrisy is astounding - you talk of greed, and the few depriving the many, and then speak of how you cheat the system to get more than you otherwise would.

You can not take the moral high-ground unless you first apply your standards to yourself.

Also, the system may be flawed, but so would any system be.

And, we are neither janitors, nor owners, nor keepers, nor kings - we are simply nature unbound.

Until it is realized that humans are mere janitors of the world and poor ones at that.

The idea of personal greed and few depriving many is the core problem.

My previous post outlined the problem with a link with pictures.

I also find it amusing that some individual you have never met can claim authority over you.

As I said before the statute law gives the illusion of freedom, Bush and Blair poisoned Iraq, their own troops indiscriminately and for ever- they will never be taken to task.

To me a state official is nothing more than a gimp in a costume with a piece of plastic with a photo on it- generally they are fully indoctrinated and not as clever as they think.

My distaste for the state isn't a newly found one, I've despised the hypocritical lies, Propaganda and what has to be a crock of.

  The funniest one is say you don't understand, they then say their system doesn't allow that- to which you respond well that's your problem.

Closed door policy works well and requires little effort

Not responding to letters and refusing signed for if you don't like the post code works well.

Police will give it the big I am, but can be simply ignored on the doorstep ,unless they have a warrent-then if they harass you-NEVER UNDERSTAND and then go for an IPC complaint without local resolution.

I have no criminal record and really I wouldn't care if I did, but the above has been highly effective.

I also NEVER fill in any state forms and have a monkey key worker for that.

I do the odd computer repair for barter or cash and see no issue in it.

Read a copy of PACE and never understanding is way forward

It's a flawed GAME so I play it by MY RULES!

I haven't beaten the system yet, but given choice of playing a flawed game and being either hungry or cold- or a little creativeness that paid for my heating oil.

I choose creativeness, as a pat on the head and rhetoric from hypocrite officials doesn't provide.

en.wikipedia.org/.../Actus_reus

Hopefully more will realize the prison planet is more fear than reality.

The problem is, Goat', that a year zero solves nothing - the whole system is the problem and all resetting back to zero does is delay the inevitable for a short while.

Until we find some way to solve the fundamental problem of limited access to energy and resources, we will always have some kind of economical system.

And, getting rid of money doesn't help, because something very money-like just replaces it.

If you dig you will find the super rich have made 18-20% gains and as banks lend other peoples money even if they evict someone and sieze a property- they still win.

Also eventually money lent plus interest means that someone loses

Example www.michaeljournal.org/myth.htm with story and pictures

I seriously can't see why we can't have a year zero, other than it doesnt suite banks/corporations.

I think the financial situation is being used to persuade a populus to think in a particular way. We did not even have public discussions about national deficits until a years back.

If capitalism got "us" in this mess, why should anyone have faith that capitalism and economics can get "us" out of it. Life is a life, or more so modern society is a massive fabrication. 

Debt is the new crucifixtion, just another displaced burden.