Published on 12, July, 2020
Note by WebPM: I have split this off from the photography thread partly to make this discussion more accessible to others who have questions, and partly to keep the other thread on topic.)
...Finally, this is to WebPM. I may Post again, though. But after 3, 4 attempts to find WebPMs Post, I could not, and then I recall a thing said by MrRobert123, in that Replies Change depending upon how a Thread is entered, and so I clicked upon the Thread TITLE, instead of any reply (from the HOME Screen... and now I finally see your Reply, Mr.WebPM.
(I wanted to keep this Thread about Pictures, but then that happens, and so I Post it here, as it happened, rather than my previous Thread. Excuse Me.)
EDIT - From DC: This Post now does not entirely make sense, when used as a Starting Post or as an Introduction. To anyone reading, Please ignore the sentence here which says that this Thread is "about pictures", for THIS Thread is not about pictures at all..!! Most of all, Please see the first *Real* Post from myself, below. I myself can only wait to see what other people (including NAS) do regarding this Thread...
Hey glad to chat my friend, sorry it happened so late and that you were so tired, take care and get some nice sleep. Ta ta for now.x()x
I was typing a reply when you responded and it vanished leaving just my user name? Screen shot to show it.
I almost forgot... bad really to forget, but I do so now...
Thank You So Very Much for this and that, Mr. LoneWarrior...!!!
Disambiguating Cynosure said:
I was not allowed to delete either. I think that this is done, now....?
I really am getting tired it is not fair. But... Nothing doing, no deleting.
NOW WE KNOW...? (Some of us anyway...)
This is it - just a little bit longer. I shall try to edit or delete some of mine with replies by your good self...
I just did,,,the screen shots are to show I was denied as I had no permissions.
I have gone back and deleted a lot of the text..again a before screen shot and after showing it in full.
Try to delete your first reply, and that is said to delete all of my following replies!
EDIT! This is the reply which I tried to delete. This is still here, obviously, so, nothing doing...
Once replied to I can no longer delete all. I can still edit it and will now, 02:35,
Can this be deleted, now? I am getting tired, sorry...
I think that quotes stay. If they are off the "subthread" or direct reply.
) ( said:will change your quote or as suggested by WebPM delete your reply with the quote.
There is a quote there.
I also took a screenshot.
Ah! 20 Minutes ago! Sorry I did not see this before - as you may still be online, then, well go ahead! Thanks...!
This is written to see wether it can be deleted after being quoted or indeed replied to.
so please reply or quote then I can try to delete this, it should be impossible once it is responded to. Once that is proved I will edit this in some obvious way to show how to clear a thread if unable to delete all.( Edited at 02:36 to show it can be deleted word by word.)
thank you for helping.
X()x.
r=37,
s=24,
v=1019,
Date =16:05:2018,
Time=01:57.
thank you DC, tried to delete it and was denied, screen shots of results,
...To Cassandro again.
I would have posted something trivial, as you asked, but apologies, I have not, because what you state is an important change which I for one did not know about.
You or I may post something after this - Reply to the START to put it at the bottom of the Thread -- and then as a willing reply (trivial) is gained, then an experiment may be begun and proved.This is what myself and LoneWarrior once did, Months ago, as a kind of "live chat". But it relies much upon CHANCE and I am not all that reliable... i.e. not always able to sign on, here.
I thank you again, and shall (try to) watch this business, now...!
Cassandro said:I'd never deleted a post before. It includes an option 'delete children'. If someone posts something (trivial) in reply to this, I can try deleting this comment and seeing what happens.
Thank You VERY much for that, Cassandro!
This is a new change which I was not aware of... but the thing is...
I may start and pay attention to "Maintenance" Threads such as this, and few others may know (care) how important they are... but I am not NAS, and so do not know about small changes or updates such as this...!
Thank You again...
May, past Midnight. Sorry to bother you. If you are able, there is a new matter occuring which I may need "support" with. I emphasise "if you are able" - you may refuse! "Maintenance" of this Forum should not be OUR job, but I always recall that we have done this before, LoneWarrior Sir...?
EDIT: Do not worry, I have now begun a New Thread about it:
http://community.autism.org.uk/f/miscellaneous-and-chat/12483/deleting-editing-posts-messages-here-please
...Which I do hope is interacted with yet at the same time am afraid somewhat to see what may come of it, if anything... (!) The more Posts, the better... it may be seen as a sort of "BattleGround" or RaceTrack... but the thing was, I did not know that NAS had changed this Forum back to being able to delete Posts *after* they had been replied to, and that is what I wanted to investigate.
But, of course, I am not here much, and so cannot always confirm such matters. And, as I wrote below, I am not NAS. The reply is to Cassandro, far below. Good Fortune to yourself, Mr.LoneWarrior Sir, and I Thank You for being "You", during 'whatever', I say as always.
I'd never deleted a post before. It includes an option 'delete children'. If someone posts something (trivial) in reply to this, I can try deleting this comment and seeing what happens.
It makes sense that you can't change another user quoting you. If you meant something other that what was quoted, I suppose you have to post again to say what you've changed and why.
P.S. - Anyone who agrees with that Post, please Post something as well. Likes are useful, but WebPM (and NAS) seem to pay more attention to Input... sort of...
:-/
WebPM said:And yes, I believe that, if a comment is deleted, replies would also be deleted, because they would have lost their places in the thread.
Thank You again, Mr WebPM for taking time to answer. However as far as I know...
Mr LoneWarrior and myself once took a time to confirm... that as soon as a Post gains a Reply, then it CANNOT be deleted. Before the update in October-Whenever... Posts could be deleted... but NOT since then. In order to "delete" a reply since then, the best that is managed is Editing the Post to replace all of the text with something like:
" . "
...There are many many examples. But if someone QUOTES a modified message, then the quote does not change.
Only THAT User can change what THAT User Posts, but they cannot change what OTHER Users Quote from THAT User.
(For instance, I cannot delete the Posts to which you reply, but I can blank them by replacing all of the text with: " . ". Yet I shall not do so after reply and never will without stating: EDIT. So There, Nerrr.)
Thank you for the example. I don't think those messages are in bad taste; they are real and personal. If anything, I feel awkward about using them for this purpose. I hope it's right that I do, and helps with the mutual support that is being provided.
It has now allowed me to work things out, so hopefully that's a good thing.
I would suggest that the "standard" message order is best seen by linking to the thread itself. On that basis, the "waiting is killing me" comment to which you replied was followed by a short side-conversation between BlueRay and Robert123, then an exchange between yourself and NAS15974, with a further response from California to BlueRay interspersed, and finally (at the time of writing) NAS15974 responds to a higher-level comment from the moderator.
The link to your reply that you provided shows, as you said, your message immediately below its "parent", the "waiting is killing me" comment. California's response to BlueRay shows, but not BlueRay's message itself. There's a link of course "in reply to BlueRay" that loads a version of the thread centred on BlueRay's message (i.e. it's a link directly to that message, instead of to yours).
So, it's true that those views can omit messages, and my apologies for taking so long to see it, and for anyone who was frustrated by this (DC in particular, I feel). It's quite hard to work out. What I need to do is to get some rules from the suppliers on how they do these things.
I can see the intention, so I think it's a design decision, rather than a bug. If you follow a link to the message, that message is shown in context - i.e. with its "parent", so that it's easy to see to what the message author was replying, and hence you can understand the response more easily. Two links to two different messages in the same thread will therefore produce differing views of the thread (which is what you found). If you want to review the whole thread and see everything in context, try a link to the thread.
And yes, I believe that, if a comment is deleted, replies would also be deleted, because they would have lost their places in the thread. Thinking about the content, they would also be replies to something that the previous author no longer wished to say in public. In some cases, if I said something and then regretted it, anything that someone said in response might just make things worse, and be best removed?