Published on 12, July, 2020
Is it moral to punish and put people with Narcissistic Personality Disorder or Antisocial Personality Disorder with psychopathic features in jails or prisons instead of forensic correctional facilities?
First of all, jails or prisons don't have excellent training to handle those two personality disorders correctly if it is severe or profound, even if a prison psychiatrist or psychologist is trying to help severely mentally ill prisoners fix their thoughts and conduct.
Another issue is that people with severe or profound Narcissistic Personality Disorder or severe or profound Antisocial Personality Disorder with psychopathic features might be legally sane and competent to stand trial. Still, they have this strange nihilistic delusional view of this world. When they commit crimes, many also have a delusion that rules don't apply to them, due to disregard for right and wrong, and also black and withe thinking, with no grounds for the middle ground.
I hope you guys understand where I am coming from with this issue.
IrishInManchesterUK said:I firmly believe that we must take a far more hardline stance on such offenders
It is interesting that just 28 years ago, being openly gay in Ireland was a quite serious offence.
Now it is not so it is evidence that society has an adaptable attitude to crime.
What is to say that in another 28 years that manslaughter will be considered only a minor crime (lack on intent perhaps)? Tricky to say what the attitudes will be that far away.
IrishInManchesterUK said:sexual offences against any child under 21
I assume you mean 18 - it means a person who turned 21 who had intimate relations with someone 1 day younger is guilty of a serious sexual crime.
While the spirit of the law is important, the implementation often has serious shortfalls. I guess either the definition of the offence needs to be strengthened or abstenance needs to be enforced until we reach 21.
IrishInManchesterUK said:I have always been a firm advocate and supporter of the restoration of capital punishment for many years now
What other old standards should we re-introduce then? If you open this can of worms then you can quickly end up in a bad place.
For the most serious crimes like murder, treason, rape, sexual offences against any child under 21, drug dealing, drug trafficking, drug smuggling, in most cases these are serious enough to warrant capital punishment, not just mere inprisoment for life - sexual offenders in particular cannot be rehabilitated where they have committed sexual offences against children and I firmly believe that we must take a far more hardline stance on such offenders by means of capital punishment - in order for the deterrent value of the law to really mean something and for the law to really be respected, there must be an element of fear of the law and of the consequences of certain actions and at present, the law, the courts and our legal system is largely toothless when it comes to serious offences - I know that there is the issue of making martyrs out of terrorist offenders by using capital punishment, but we should not be letting the criminals decide the course of justice - every U.K. murder since the abolition of capital punishment in the early 1960’s has become ever more horrific, starting with the Moors Murders - the same applies to the abolition of the Treason & Sedition laws - I have always been a firm advocate and supporter of the restoration of capital punishment for many years now, the lack of which has enabled criminals to escape justice and the lack of which has also caused immeasurable suffering to families decades after the immediate crime, a prime example of which has been the Moors Murders, where Ian Brady, the very epitome and personification of evil, has tormented his victims families from beyond his grave
DeSpereaux said:I would say that society could deal with criminals better, but with the absence of a cure or even a consensus on criminality, the least-worse solution is incarceration for all who would damage society to an unreasonable degree.
The constraints of financing will also be a big factor. Special treatment for criminals with mental health issues are never going to be vote winners for the politicians either as the public mostly just want the criminals to go away.
Improving mental health in prisons is a good idea but the costs for this are unlikely to make it happen.
I have family who work in the health care in UK prisons and they have to put up with very restricted budgets and the attentions of criminals who are often intelligent have huge amounts of time to work out how to scam the system and will confer on how to refine their scams to pretend to have issues that get special treatment.
Physical health tends to have signs of a conditions presence but not mental health and thus it is often exploited to get special treatment.
In return this affects the professionals who are willing to deal with these high risk individuals and some are very disturbing to work with, even with training.
Ultimately a large that reason most criminals are indicted, flawed system aside, is because they exhibit a developmental deficiency. They are unable to meet the basic requirements that their community needs for coexistence.
Professional criminals are mostly left alone in society, it is the opportunists and failures that get caught, because they leave train-wrecks behind them and cannot sustain long term relationships.
Criminals are not placed in prison as a punishment for their crimes, but rather as a preventive measure, to protect the business and communal continuity.
So I would say that society could deal with criminals better, but with the absence of a cure or even a consensus on criminality, the least-worse solution is incarceration for all who would damage society to an unreasonable degree.