Can childhood viral diseases like Scarlet Fever cause ASC

Had Scarlet Fever at a very age which left me deaf in one ear and with a heart murmur. Have also read that strep diseases such as that and meningitis, etc could be the cause of ASC too and just wondering if anyone else with ASD may have had  similiar diseases as a child?

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  • No, it is genetic.

    Autistic traits can be identified right at the birth - and most certainly with genetic testing.

    If you have ASD, you have it right from the beginning of your life - that is not something that you can get later in your life through some diseases or exposure to toxic materials  or radiation - that story was about Supermutants, like Spidermen :D

    You get diagnosis if you have a reason to get one, but it is not a tool that catches them all...

    Diseases can affect your health condition, where ASD issues come out - maybe after stress or other things that impact brains and neurological system.

  • Just to be clear there is no genetic test for autism yet ... unless you know something I don't?

  • Just to be clear, I did not claim, that there were tests that are defining if you have ASD - and no your gene map can't be used in UK as a groung for diagnosis of ASD, as it is not about genetics, but how you deal with life and... GPs are generally not that smart and another thing is - they are not paid for anything that is not in their instructions, so GPs that are putting dots together and are way too smart for their position - well, if they are that smart, then they are not GPs anymore.

    But, in terms of how genetics is progressing, genes that are linked to autism are discovered more and more. And identifying those genes that are common among people with ASD is completely different matter:

    www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/.../

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41398-020-00953-9

    So, if the discussion is about from where you got ASD, then it is very clear that it is from your genes. I would dismiss most of reasons, that are linked to exposure to heavy metals and toxins... because ASD is too widespread and people have ASD even where heavy metals were notpresent - usually heavy metals cause some other issues to health and getting ASD would be the same as getting capabilities of Spiderman, after exposed to toxic matter, so it is sci-fi and has nothing to do with reality.

    IMO, the common cause to ASD is stress and I, as a very stressful person notice that to all the ASD, that they are potentially not coping very well with stress, so I would generally suggest for anyone to look for their sources of stress - quite often that stress is coming from parents, because they are like that.

    Reasons for stress are global, because only in 20th century most of the people have started to live in cities, while before they were more adapted to smaller communities. I had book, that had first print in 60s - it described how cities are impacting animals and common issue to animals is stress and how animals are dealing with that.And they did not do well. So, why would it not affect humans as well? I'm from countryside and adaptions to different lifestyles should take generations - more than 200 years.

    Yes, animals in cities get smarter, because of challenges, but it isn not "normal" for humans and for animals to live in such compact communities and IMO ASD is symptom to that how people are dealing with that type of challenge. Primates lived in close knit groups of ~30. If the group grew larger, it split and they get realy stressed about about sharing their own territory and killed other primates of the same species and people expect to change their lifestyle after they got civilizations and settlements form few thousand years, while for the most of the part of history humans did not shared territory with so many other humans.

    In general people are very dumb, unless they start to read books(and stumble upon some good books) and accumulate information in their brains. Theories about "heavy metals" are on the same dumb level, because they are simple and not really that deep and have a lot of flaws and general flaw is that most of ASD 90-99% are not from exposure to "heavy metals", while common to ASD in one way or another is stress - for example my mother would argue, that she is not causing stress to me, but from my viewpoint it is completelly the opposite and I would say, that foundation to my stress comes from my family and ASD there would surface sooner or later, because that is how I am adapting to life.

  • Looking on impact of IFV, that could be very well acceptable for explanation if looking on UK data alone, but I am coming from a country, where IFV procedure is only becoming acceptable(or rather - trending) and in use only in recent years, while ASD % is the same as in UK. And I am adult with ASD - from the generation, that had no IFV, so my logic dictates to discard that data and look for something else.

    Also, I find it tricky to figure out explanation why IFV babies suddenly would be able to gain only those mutations, that have ASD genes, provided, that their parents had no ASD genes at all. Generational mutations would be good explanation, but for at least some number of generations.

    Also, it might be more related that old NT people shares similarities with autistic people - including brains. The main question is to find out why - are their brain  becoming autistic due to age? Is it because of how their brains function with age? Are all humans potentially autistic - at least old people? When I was younger I did not need to have a diagnose, even if I had issues with other children and liked to communicate with older people. There are many questions, but I also don't exactly see the reason for this tribal behaviour to group autistic people in opposition to NT, if older NT are showing autistic behaviour traits as well.

    Well, I have no remorse in hunting down ideas - passengers, that are riding brains and kick useless ones out - it was harder in beginning, but not now - my brains are limited in capacity and I have already reached limits, as I am unable to concentrate and learn new information and keep the most interesting, unless I have thrown out old or useless ones out.

    Look, whenever I get flu, I have pleasant dreams where I see sexy lady - clearly flu is trying to have a deal with my subconsciousness and even if flu somehow have mastered art of sending that type of message... I am still getting rid of flu, despite that sexy messenger. Smiley

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  • Looking on impact of IFV, that could be very well acceptable for explanation if looking on UK data alone, but I am coming from a country, where IFV procedure is only becoming acceptable(or rather - trending) and in use only in recent years, while ASD % is the same as in UK. And I am adult with ASD - from the generation, that had no IFV, so my logic dictates to discard that data and look for something else.

    Also, I find it tricky to figure out explanation why IFV babies suddenly would be able to gain only those mutations, that have ASD genes, provided, that their parents had no ASD genes at all. Generational mutations would be good explanation, but for at least some number of generations.

    Also, it might be more related that old NT people shares similarities with autistic people - including brains. The main question is to find out why - are their brain  becoming autistic due to age? Is it because of how their brains function with age? Are all humans potentially autistic - at least old people? When I was younger I did not need to have a diagnose, even if I had issues with other children and liked to communicate with older people. There are many questions, but I also don't exactly see the reason for this tribal behaviour to group autistic people in opposition to NT, if older NT are showing autistic behaviour traits as well.

    Well, I have no remorse in hunting down ideas - passengers, that are riding brains and kick useless ones out - it was harder in beginning, but not now - my brains are limited in capacity and I have already reached limits, as I am unable to concentrate and learn new information and keep the most interesting, unless I have thrown out old or useless ones out.

    Look, whenever I get flu, I have pleasant dreams where I see sexy lady - clearly flu is trying to have a deal with my subconsciousness and even if flu somehow have mastered art of sending that type of message... I am still getting rid of flu, despite that sexy messenger. Smiley

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