Published on 12, July, 2020
I see this old chestnut has come to the fore again. I can see problems with it.
Does the military want all these people for a year or so and what will they do with them?
If people are made to volunteer for things like life boats, special constables and library assistants, will it mean that the training for such things will outlast the service time?
Will real jobs be at risk because people are volunteering?
If theres no sanctions how will they make people do it?
Will it mean that those currently on benefits will be sanctioned for not "doing their bit"?
Will this idea have mission creep? If not enough people volunteer, will some kind of sanction be imposed?
It all sounds desperate to me, like a political party flailing about to find vote winning policies that are ill thought out.
It won't come in until 2029 anyway, just in time for another election, hmmm?
The kind of regressive thinking that seems to define conservative thinkers. I've never understood this notion that putting teenagers into the military builds character, or gives you 'real world skills'. Even worse, the idea of sending troubled or anti-social teenagers into the military. Sure, let's teach them how to kill people.
It's just another attempt to use vacuous nostalgia for 'our lost Britain' as a vote-harvester.
yeah im on the fence with it.i can see how it can help and maybe change a bad lad to a better lad... i can also see how it may change a bad lad to a even worse dangerous lad...it all depends really, each person it will have different result....one thing i can say is that a decent martial art class will have the same result. fitness, discipline, fighting, getting any bad energy out of system in controlled place and destressing, assertiveness, confidence, life changing stuff.... doesnt need to be military they could send to to any decent martial arts class... comes with same risk that teaching bad cocky kid martial arts may just create a hazard to the public though... so it is case by case basis.
I agree that martial arts classes are good for instilling self discipline and respect.
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These proposals won't just be aimed at men, but women too, do you think that young women will repsond in the same way? Is the military a safe place for women and those from ethnic minorities, we've seen time after time the numbers of women who've been sexually assaulted and raped, often by senior officers and are left to deal with it alone. Ethnic minorities often suffer horrendous bullying and racism, is this going to make them more "British"?
As I mentioned before no one has commented on the non military options for this national service, why is that?
You could easily tell when Boris was obfuscating. You could see his lips moving.
Sincerity is certainly not apparent anywhere in 'mainstream' politics these days - the system seems to have a self-selecting exclusionary clause against almost all forms of genuine sincerity. Agreed.
Knowledge is a burden, I agree. It is the burden of power (in my book) because (in my book) knowledge is power. The burden aspect of this, is knowing how, or if, or when, to wield your power. I note that you do so with restraint and grace. This makes me happy, and gives me badly needed hope!
My words here on the other hand) make me want to vom, because, true sincerity is so out of vogue......its easier to lie, obfuscate or simply stay quiet....or to view sincerity from others as "smarm."
I am more than content to defer to your greater knowledge and competency in this particular arena.....ie I have no trouble accepting your opinion that.....
Pegg said:Oh goodness me no - it's really not that complex. Rather it was the first idea they came up with that they thought might stick with Reform voters.
.......is the primary driver behind their intentions.
This has all become a bit depressing for me tonight......I'm calling time on my involvement here this evening. Disambiguation = nowt to do with this exchange with you......just the fact that my brain extrapolates and explores the avenues that are presented to it.
Have a restful evening Pegg.
Yours
Number.
Number said:This youth conscription scheme is the best idea that this government (in it's last gasps of existence) could think of to try and mitigate these combined and growing problems......but
Oh goodness me no - it's really not that complex. Rather it was the first idea they came up with that they thought might stick with Reform voters.
Derails have been added as they've thought of them.
If we were foolish enough to give this 'pledge' credence, we'd discover to our cost how sincere it is. They've had 14 years in power - and where are we?
Number said: You are self evidently more informed than most
Sadly, that is true.
If I.could go back, I'd never walk through the gates. Knowledge is a burden.
It won't surprise you to hear, that I couldn't be a member of one......I don't have enough common ground with ANYONE!
Number said:I don't want to be lynched by the mob over a misunderstanding!!......there are plenty of half reasonable reasons to lynch me if you want to...
There aren't any lynch mobs on this forum and if there were, I wouldn't be a member of one.