Traditional / Old Fashioned Thinking

As an older person with Autism, I was brought up in very different times with different thinking, values, acceptance, behaviour, etc (1970's & 80's).

The World has changed so much since then - both for better and worse.
There have been so many advancements - particularly in science and this has benefitted us ASD'ers immensely.

One thing that is troubling me is that I hold a lot of "principles" that in this day and age would be considered "Old Fashioned", "Traditional", maybe even "Bigotry" or worse.
There are things that I struggle to understand or accept which are based on my traditional attitude. I was brought up in an era when....

  • Boys had girlfriends and girls has boyfriends
  • You were born a boy and died a man
  • Men married women
  • Humour was not censored
  • People weren't "cancelled"

I openly discuss or rant about these topics along with some others that may be considered taboo with closed friends and family who have all become somewhat numb to my outrageousness / inappropriateness.

I have however managed to "behave" in public (stayed on the right side of the law), but occasionally do mutter things with a level of cowardice.
My concern is that now that I am officially autistic, the shackles of having to mask may have been broken and that has the potential of me saying the wrong thing at the wrong time.

Parents
  • I don’t think having autism can be an excuse to say the wrong thing at the wrong time. It’s things like this that I feel give autism a really bad impression to people in a world where autistic people are already struggling to be understood.

    I struggle with change, I can say the wrong thing at the wrong time.. however I still fundamentally know what it right and wrong, and wouldn’t ever use my autism as an excuse to be a bigot or to say I was unable to make any changes to past beliefs. 

    The world is always changing… there certainly wasn’t a forum on the internet 20/30 years ago to discuss autism, yet you’ve managed to change and learn the skills to use the internet and a forum and use technology, so you can deal with change. So I don’t see how this is any different. Yes change can be difficult for autistic people but it is not impossible and should NEVER be used as excuse to speak hatred about other people. You’re just being picky about what changes you will and won’t fundamentally accept or be prepared to make.

    if you know that your way of thinking (whether it’s developed from the past or not) is not acceptable in todays society, then do better. 

    thank god we live in a country where people can love who they want to love, can be free to express who they are and are not internally tormented for who they were born to be. Imagine being told that something, just like your autism, that you had no control over and was born with, is being used as a reason for others to judge you, condemn your way of living, to not agree with you and your existence.

    the fact that you have admitted to saying things ‘muttered’ and have put the word behave in quote marks would suggest that fundamentally you actually still hold the bigoted beliefs that you grew up with. I feel really sad for you that you are not prepared to accept people for who they are and question who they were born to be.

    I am also in the LGBTQIA+ community, so I imagine you may also feel that my viewpoint on the whole matter is somewhat biased. 

    But i simply cannot understand and never will understand how who someone loves, how they choose to dress or act, what they look like or who they feel they really are has any impact on anyone else and why this would be an issue or problem for anybody else. I literally couldn’t care less who someone identifies as.. I just wish that person could live in a world without hatred, self hatred, judgement and bigotry. 

  • People DO judge - simple fact. It may be conscious or unconscious bias.

    It is obvious by your comment and many other peoples' comments that I have been judged. I was "brave" enough (or foolish enough depending on your point of view) to share an honest concern that I have about the possible impact of my recent diagnosis.

    Does it not occur to anyone on here that Autism may only be part of my psychological makeup and challenges? Oh no, let's all jump on the bandwagon and try to ostracise someone for having a different experience to our own.

    I find it very sad that I am feeling so much hate for this honest and open thread.
    If it were really THAT controversial, provocative, hateful, etc then I would have expected that the mods would have jumped all over it at some point during the past 10 hours - especially as I have reported the thread to mods and emailed the community manager.

    If you guys want to keep attacking my thread, fine - I will continue to respond. 

      

  • You'll likely get bored in the end, GPK26.

    There's an old proverb which involves "wrestling with pigs" that comes to mind in threads like this...   

    It's a pity people aren't as passionate and moved to action about opposing war, or improving the lot of the elderly sick and poor people as they are about gender issues.

    ALL the individual branches of the US military are at Defcon 2 now, although the overall status is still weirdly reported as Defcon 3, and an actual eschatological war has broken out between two nuclear armed adversaries in the middle east and all people are really bothered about is who is putting their wingwang wherever and what is the correct way to describe it!!

    AND STILL NO ONE is protesting against WAR! NO one cares that the U.S. is in the process of returning it's nuclear weapons to our little island and Russia put a battallion of Yars missiles (presumably aimed at us).

    Why aren't they out there campaigning for our SURVIVAL if they want to make the world a better place? 

    Probably because few of them want to reproduce, and the fate of future generations is simply of no interest compared to how one should properly address a homosexual.  

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  • You'll likely get bored in the end, GPK26.

    There's an old proverb which involves "wrestling with pigs" that comes to mind in threads like this...   

    It's a pity people aren't as passionate and moved to action about opposing war, or improving the lot of the elderly sick and poor people as they are about gender issues.

    ALL the individual branches of the US military are at Defcon 2 now, although the overall status is still weirdly reported as Defcon 3, and an actual eschatological war has broken out between two nuclear armed adversaries in the middle east and all people are really bothered about is who is putting their wingwang wherever and what is the correct way to describe it!!

    AND STILL NO ONE is protesting against WAR! NO one cares that the U.S. is in the process of returning it's nuclear weapons to our little island and Russia put a battallion of Yars missiles (presumably aimed at us).

    Why aren't they out there campaigning for our SURVIVAL if they want to make the world a better place? 

    Probably because few of them want to reproduce, and the fate of future generations is simply of no interest compared to how one should properly address a homosexual.  

Children
  • Stop The War Coalition have protested the war in Ukraine and there was huge march in favour of a ceasefire in the Israel/ Palestine war in London earlier today.

    So your claims that no one opposes war are false.  And i suspect you know them to be false.