Hey NAS we are different not disabled

the learning difficulty one that they used to call it is very old fashioned and is likely the reason many people never got diagnosed.

they see you have problems, then they called it learning difficulty, but when they tested you for learning difficulty they instead found you actually smarter than average so you dont have a learning difficulty, so they they scratch their heads and go away and left you and considered you too confusing to diagnose due to them wrongly calling everything a learning difficulty at the time.

and for one i dont believe in learning difficulties... there is no such thing... there is only teaching difficulties of bad teachers that do not know how to teach.

and for one i dont believe in learning difficulties... there is no such thing... there is only teaching difficulties of bad teachers that do not know how to teach.

I would assume that if there's any merit in this, it would be due to the overlap in PTSD symptoms and autistic traits. But it's Jordan Peterson, so for all I know it's nothing to do with that and he's talking rubbish. Certainly wouldn't be the first time!

I don’t entirely agree it’s too late but it’s certainly more difficult. I imagine it’s a bit like learning languages. Young children pick up languages very quickly. You can still learn new languages as an adult but you have to make far more of an effort than you would have had to do when you were a child.

I think that Jordan Peterson is at best talking about autistic-seeming traits, psychology has no place in the roots of autism, though it des play a role in development like you say..:)

Thanks for your post - I might have a look at the book you mention. I’ve never found any of Temple Grandin’s books that useful or interesting before although I’ve only glanced at them. This one actually might be useful and interesting.

Yeah I agree, if empathy cannot get you there, then knowledge will have to do..

yeah its generally a thing you spot and help in children to prevent it... once you get to adult stage its uncurable. because its developmental. i think that psycologist guy who does videos spoke about this on youtube before, jordan peterson.... he said that if you isolate a child and overprotect and smother them they dont develope socially with other children, and because of that they dont know how to act or react socially and they have autistic traits. this is all due to childhood isolation and smothering. but this is why you can only fix it at the childhood development age, if you catch and prevent the smothering of a child that child still has time to get out there with others and socially develope and normalise.... as a adult though its too late, your forever broken, you never get a chance to be at that social development age again. i think this is why autistic services are more towards children, because they can help and prevent new cases in children by ensuring the child gets its social development in its social development age.

Caelus said:

i guess then its not social intelligence we lack its social knowledge, as knowledge is knowing a baked in set of fixed rules.

Knowledge and rules can be learned:

The Unwritten Rules of Social Relationships - Decoding Social Mysteries Through the Unique Perspectives of Autism - Temple Grandin, Sean Barron (2005)
ISBN: 9781941765388

thats true, i guess then its not social intelligence we lack its social knowledge, as knowledge is knowing a baked in set of fixed rules.

I don’t need to look at someone’s eyes to understand what is coming out of their mouth. Their face maybe but not their eyes. Or maybe that is why I sometimes misunderstand people? You’ve got me wondering now.

Less social intelligence maybe but total lack no or at least not for me. I also think this is an area where autistic children can be helped although it is probably harder with adults.

Curious term really as intelligence is the ability to think of new concepts and ideas rather than relying on knowledge given to someone by others. Surely the problem we have is not understanding fixed  and arbitry rules when talking to someone.  For example the need to look at someone 's eyes to understand what us coming out if their mouth.  

Caelus said:

my maths teacher in school, he couldnt do maths... he wasnt a maths teacher he was a languages teacher, who they also used for english, and geography and maths... but he couldnt do those subjects...

Then the solution would be to tell your parents who would then complain to the school - that is how most stuff gets resolved. Once the knowledge is public domain then the school has to cover its back by doing its job and either hiring someone else or training the teacher.

The behaviour of the teacher reflected on his unwillingness to learn the subject (high school maths is far from rocket science, especially as the text books talk you through it step by step) so he probably deserved to be reassigned to another school over this or to lose his job it the contract stated he had to cover any subject.

As I recall it, teacher training college trains you to be a teacher in any discipline. You may have a specialisation but you are trained to cover any subject if required. Can anyone clarify if this has changed?

see it still isnt the learners problem, it isnt a learning difficulty then... its a system problem.

my maths teacher in school, he couldnt do maths... he wasnt a maths teacher he was a languages teacher, who they also used for english, and geography and maths... but he couldnt do those subjects... the school didnt care, they like any workplace have a worker and throw them at the problem. so they threw him into a subject he couldnt teach.... it isnt fair on him, it isnt fair on the students... it isnt the students problem. you can be fairer and say its the systems problem... but yet the teacher has a responsibility to teach so part of it lays on them in a teaching problem, the protblem that my maths teacher couldnt do maths, thats his problem, and the systems mostly, but his to some degree too.... he just sat there in lesson, reading his own book and told us if another teacher comes in pretend you are doing work.

Caelus said:

and for one i dont believe in learning difficulties... there is no such thing... there is only teaching difficulties of bad teachers that do not know how to teach.

That is a bit harsh.

Who is going to teach the teachers how to deliver the education to every variant of learning technique that we have.

Some need a rigid routine for learning without interruptions

Some can only learn visually

Some have attention issues (ADHD type symptoms)

Some have dyslexia / dysgraphia / dyscalculia / dyspraxia

Some mask or just tell the teacher what they think the teacher wants to hear.

and so on.

Is it really fair to put the load onto the teacher of getting the right variant of teachning style for every students needs. They are poorly paid and heavily worked as it is so to expect what is effectively a specialisation in teaching neurologically different students.

To me it is like expecting every doctor to be a heart specialist, a brain surgeon, an oncologyst, a gynocologyst etc - it just isn't realistic.

The solution is to up the teachers pay in exchange for retraining them to cater for more learning needs, but that needs money the system isn't going to get and effort from a group who are already fed up with the unrealistic demands placed upon them.

Which brings us back to having to take more initiative to supporting people who have difficultiy in learning using conventional teachning techniques - learning difficulties for short.

It perfectly describes the condition but maybe needs a makeover to be called differently educationable to keep from being perceived as insulting.

aye true, autism usually is the lack of social intelligence though.

There are also lots of different types of intelligence and different people can be and are intelligent in different ways.