GB News (New British News Network)

evidence? do you not know what the EU is? .... did you not know that members of the EU are not allowed to do deals outside the EU trading block and any outside deal has to be organised and negotiated by the EU itself on behalf of all members? .... thats a core part of the EU and you didnt know that and want evidence for that? ... if you didnt know that why are you even discussing our membership with them as thats something you should have known before even discussing this...

Caelus said:

it opens more doors for more possibilities.... in the EU we wasnt allowed to make any deals outside it or anything, the EU we was funding them to tie our hands all for the sake of protectionism to protect the other EU states from the competition independance would allow us...

Evidence please !

Caelus said:

yet your getting lost in opinion too, talk facts, what benefits did we have in the EU? ..... and also note that you cant say funding because we funded that and they gave us like 10% of our own money back and claimed its them funding us when its only but a portion of what we gave them... we funded them... we didnt get free movement anyway as we was opted out of the free travel zone... so what benefits did we get? ....nothing....

Evidence ?

it opens more doors for more possibilities.... in the EU we wasnt allowed to make any deals outside it or anything, the EU we was funding them to tie our hands all for the sake of protectionism to protect the other EU states from the competition independance would allow us.... now we can make all manner of trades and the EU doesnt like it one bit, their main arguments are all about fairness and all about wanting to force us to stick to the same prices they have and not undercut them in any way. they are afraid of competition, they are a protectionist racket that is all... why should we fund that when it makes the economy stagnant? ... a healthy economy needs competition.... we do both us and them a favour by leaving, protectionist rackets all need to be wiped out, we need competition again, not stagnation of a scared cowardly protectionist racket that wants to tie everyones hands and hold everyone back for fear that one may out do everyone else on trade and harm the whole.

yet your getting lost in opinion too, talk facts, what benefits did we have in the EU? ..... and also note that you cant say funding because we funded that and they gave us like 10% of our own money back and claimed its them funding us when its only but a portion of what we gave them... we funded them... we didnt get free movement anyway as we was opted out of the free travel zone... so what benefits did we get? ....nothing.... therefore what is the use in paying them for nothing aside from getting 10% of what we give them back? why should we hemorage money when that money could have instead gone to fund many other things in this country, such as the NHS... or anything... such as new nukes.. such as increased education... anything... but most likely will end up being wasted on bribes to northern ireland as usual as our government always likes wasting so if they cant waste it on the EU they will waste it on some other shite.... but whats the point in having any waste at all? lets *** them all off and stop heamoraging money to sketchy organisations we dont even need to be part of

Hmm.

Did you hear a benefit mentioned other than assumed I jury to national pride? 

Cn you name a single benefit to leaving the EU?

There was the best trade deal better. A whole lot better than second-rate neat from either Australia or the US.

But you are welcome to your chlorinated chicken. 

As for precious holidays, well no, it is more about losing the right to live, work, buy property, and trade without endless red tape.

But why make life so easy. 

You're getting lost in opinion mate when we are talking about facts. Name the benefits of leaving the EU please ? 

can you name a single benefit to joining the EU for staying in it? .... you cant.... and it ruined our nation when we joined.... the cost of living drastically increased and even charles de gaul said we just economically killed our own nation by joining as we got cheaper goods from the commonwealth than we could do from the EU... it ruined us joining the EU and held us back.... there was no benefit to remaining nor joining in the first place.... why do you think theres a benefit to remaining? because you put your own precious foreign holidays above the fate and wellbeing of everyone else in this country? lol

Not that I understand much you say, but are you saying, somehow Brexit has been a success ? The loss of billions in trade every single week since it ? Are you saying that is what you voted for ? To punish your own country ? 

Let me me put it straight to you ; Can you name one single benefit of leaving the EU ? 

Unknown said:

Your political views are not shaped by conviction, but by what is the opposite view of 'the Tories'. I've pointed out to you the hazards of this kind of immature partisanship. You end up defending the political positions of your favourite party that are 180° away from the ones they held previously.  And so, nothing you have to say has any meaning or substance because it's not arrived at by your own intelligent, impartial analysis.

If, tomorrow, The Labour Party were to declare its support for replacing English with French as the UK's official language, and The Conservative Party opposed it, within 24 hours, you'd have found enough slogans and left-wing talking points to back the policy to the hilt.

The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposing ideas in mind at the same time and still retain the ability to function - F. Scott Fitzgerald

You are making many assumptions here Mycal and quite frankly insulting my, and other people's intelligence. Let us stick to your original post and the claims and advertising you made for the new tv network. 

Unknown said:

I have highlighted this new news channel as a much needed antidote to the partisan news we are currently subjected to. Will it be free from bias? No, but at least we all get to see the extremes of both sides of the political divide

What are the extremes of both sides you talk about and whom are promoting such ? You say this is much needed but you don't say why ? Or you don't say why this will be different or beneficial from others ? As far as I can see you have also not provided any information on who is funding this shiny new tv network you took the time to post on this forum ? 

Also, are any of the presenters or anyone involved in the network reliable ? 

What human progress have they made in their lives for everyone ? What is their track records ? What is their intentions.

Yes, lets talk about the new network !

but yet all the media hated brexit and was the same as yours and his views.... so i dont understand that at all lol your the one regurgitating media crap and not thinking for yourself at any point in time haha while the rest of the country fecked you all off and voted how they voted and you still believed the media crap when they then tried to convince you that you was the majority ....and.... to... stop the steal? lol

You are quite right but it seems your greater knowledge and insight over a long period of time ( obviously) on things from a moral, realistically and sane viewpoint will be lost to the knee-jerk, reactionary types who regurgitate and repeat everything they are told by the right-wing, privately owned media. Full stop.  

sorry but you need to be corrected now, all your doing is spewing out hate filled bile and fallacies all the time. you speak politics but your unable to actually speak politics without bringing up insults to ones character rather than addressing the policies... you cant address the policies anyway because you know naught of politics and if you did youd realise you cant address any policies at all because labour and tory policies are pretty damn well copying off each other these days to the point they are the same. 

again with the EDL/BNP thing (KKK is american and is illegal here and never has existed here by the way so perhaps your too americanised by the internet?).... nick griffon votes labour now... the neo-naz... bad guys... all vote labour now... and what is labour doing? they are marching around london with banners saying "hitler was right" and attacking jewish people.... you think thats good? you think thats ok and the good side that cares for people? 

then you speak of rich people but yet your remain side was the side of the rich elite, the side of big business interests... the side whining about the economy... we brexit voters said to hell with the economy! brexit was a disgruntled peasants rebelion tossing the table over of the rich elites game. it was a message to say that we the common folk cant just be screwed around with and will use our voices and power to destroy this entire country if they dont even things out and play fair.

and when did i claim my side were patriots? i didnt..... only americans claim that so you need to get the hell off the internet and cool down instead of speaking to me as if im someone else. yet gain the internet has filled you with american politics that isnt relevant to the uk...

and as for sanctions, puhlease.... i have been sanctioned so many times, not only that i got kicked off welfare entirely and made to repay money that i didnt even have lol all because your the one that voted david cameron in... you lot, you nasty remoaners that only care for what, you fancy privileged european holidays? you sold us out for fucking 100 years all so you can have holiday privileges?

the most corrupt government will be the one you want, the one that ignores the people and does whatever the *** it wants, the road to hell is paved with good intent by the way, it always has been.... hitler didnt come around wanting to do evil but to better his peoples lives who were starving in the streets and facing hyper inflation, be careful what you turn into bud, hitler too called himself a socialist and was very authoritarian to the point of ignoring the peoples will 

now tell me, what is the government you want? which party? and what policies do they have? what will they do? ... and dont tell me its labour, because their policies they stated at last election were ***! they promised less cash to the NHS than the tories.... so you surely cant support that cant you? unless you speak without actually knowing politics and just go by whatever the media and loud activists scream out? ya know the loud activists scream without knowing anything right?

Your belief that one "side" is better than the other is touchingly naiive.

Your descriptions of people who think differently are as remorselessly dismissive and crudely aggressive as I have come to expect from those who identify as "left" over 40+ years of observation. Zero tolerance.

Put your case, sure, but you could perhaps make some attempt to be a little less  needlessly offensive to other people who think or vote differently to you.

It does help to remember that we are all in this life together, and here you are with those who you should feel some kinship towards rather than trying to alienate the approximately 50% who do not share your strong political opinions.

How were/are the Tories on the left's side? 

The Tories are the reason we even had a vote on membership of Europe because David Cameron decided it would be wise to try and appeal to the lunatics who voted for UKIP and bring then on-side. Which is why we have the situation we do, now. The Tories pandered to the right and when they won the support of the likes of people who used to vote BNP Labour got scared and started trying to be a bit more nationalist and flag-wavey, too (in case you haven't noticed, both sides think you're stupid enough to be manipulated by a flag and words like 'patriotism', it comes back to that old reliance on slogans and emotive symbolism. They could wrap a turd in Union Jack design wrapping and some people would buy it and insist it was chocolate despite the bad smell. 

As for the areas which used to vote Labour but voted Tory in protest at being called stupid, I'm from the North and I never took offense (primarily because if they said it, I didn't hear about it) but I would agree that those who voted Tory in protest of something like this made a very foolish decision. How is that working out for the places who voted Tory, by the way? Are they looking out for the working class voters? Or are they closing services? Have you looked into it, checked that you haven't, in fact, been had, and fallen for the lies of a man sacked for lying, who surrounds himself with corrupt, lying scumbags. Heard the latest about Matt Hancock, yet?

The reality is that politics, in recent years, has gone the way of the right. They have an advantage both in Parliament and in society, because they target the sections of society willing to ignore facts in favour of feelings. 

As for your 'they're your guys-not ours!' Stuff it's starting to sound like most of your issues revolve around Brexit, and if that is indeed the case we have a lot less in common than you think.

We may agree that society is broken, that the system needs to change, but I dare say the changes I'd make would be far more noticeable than those you would make. From your posts, I can only assume they would be based mostly around 'taking our country back' and making sure 'brexit means brexit' and all the nationalist, trannie-bashing stuff which seems to evoke a response from you.

You've mentioned that you've had a post deleted because of offense caused, but rather than take responsibility, acknowledge that this is a forum for autistic adults from all walks of life-including ethnic minorities and LGBTQ people, and adjust your language accordingly, you expect to spew all that stuff without someone coming along and pointing out to you why you're wrong. When that happens, you take offense and claim you're being silenced. You're not. You're being corrected, and because you don't have anything to come back with, because the facts are not on your side, you are left to either accept you are wrong and adapt your views or double-down, claim the facts are wrong or driven by leftie conspiracies and jump in bed with others who agree. The likes of the EDL, the KKK, or whatever other politically-minded racist hooligans are saying what you think, and feel. 

You can play the victim but you're not the victim. The victims are the people who had to go through demeaning tests performed by a French IT company to prove they were diabled. The victims are the ones pushed onto the street as a result of JC sanctions brought about by a target-driven environment cultivated by the Tories. The ones who have to use food banks. They're the victims. You're just someone who voted for the people who did that to them for your own reasons.

But you keep focusing on Brexit and ignoring all of that. Sunlit uplands, and all that. How's that going, by the way? I imagine you and your mates have been out in the fruit fields doing your bit for Queen and Country, today? Making sure all that fruit doesn't rot?

If you want to throw your lot in with the right, prop up the most corrupt government we've ever had and claim your side are the patriots when it is the right who have presided over thousands of avoidable deaths then I'm going to have an issue with that, and if that counts as oppression to you I'd recommend reading up about oppression, and taking note of who it is who usually does the oppressing. 

As for Labour, if you'd paid attention you'd realise that the party is in dissarray precisely because left wing voters like myself refuse to accept another puppet, another establishment stooge with a posh voice and private education. We don't just hand our support to whoever is the biggest 'character' like the centre and right seem content to do, these days. 

If you find yourself hearing a curious jingling sound don't worry, it's just loose change moving about the pockets of the rich in which you reside. 

I have turned on to BBC channels, many many times and never have I been told that I am a racist. I have seen history programs where the truth about slavery and slave trade and industrial revolution working conditions have been shown, but that's the truth and only half of it, you don't hear much about the Opium Wars. You don't get reminded about the Panama papers exposing the tax dodging people that are leading this country, we don't hear much about Prince Andrew's connection to that man in America. I have never been told to change my sex. They do talk a lot about a world wide pandemic that has killed over a hundred thousand people in this country, and so do all the other channels, and so do my family when I talk to them on the phone etc, to not talk about it would be very strange indeed.

In my humble opinion the BBC needs to be less driven by Conservative party members.

More likely

Almost agree, except I believe that the subversion is being done by a supranational group.

there are multple they.
there is the marxist subversive controllers that are behind the riot mobs that claim they want all these social changes, but they dont, all they want is to destabilise the country and cause fragmentation and collapse most likely they are russian or chinese agents behind them.

the other they is the usefull idiots, the people that fall for all that without thinking and get mislead into all these violence that isnt necessary at all. they generally are good intent and want good but are mislead by the subversive marxist russian/chinese leaders that want to stoke them up to destroy the country so their motherland can get away with evil deeds on the world stage without the west being there to act as a world police.