Published on 12, July, 2020
Recently in another thread, a few of us started talking about our experiences at the hands of our police force, in the "Autistic son" thread and the discussion took an unexpected turn, where a number of people stepped up including myself, to pass comment.
Subsequently, an organised assault was made on several of people's accounts, where our complaints and refusal to accept the reframing of truth offered by the pro-police faction was said to be "abuse". I've since spent a fair bit of time talking to my mostly NT friends and acquaintances about their experiences, with our modern police force, and it seems my experiences are not so unique.
Most people I know have very little involvement with the police, and generally are complimentary UNTIL they DO need some help and find out how it really works. Here of course, we are more likely to have interactions with them directly, so there is a greater pool of experience available.
SO PLEASE:
Down vote me. if you believe they serve us well, and up vote me if your think they serve someone or something else who isn't us, the paying public.
If you have any stories (good or bad) which you wish to share, feel free to do that, below.
Tried to do a POLL as requested & got an incomprehensible error message and today is not a day where I feel like struggling with someone else's software. (Having used & administrated forums by https://www.phpbb.com/ mostly, I'm not finding this one easy to work with at all).
Just up or down vote my OP using teh little up down arrows. Be careful though, once you've clicked on up or down, your vote is in and can be changed, but not undone.
It's a yes no question, and both the scores and voters are transparent to the audience.
Oh, I'm sitting on it, lol. I get both sides of the argument. I've known fantastic coppers and heard and seen some horror stories.
I spent a career trying to make this better. Sometimes I think we had a strong impact, at others, I see all too clearly how much still needs to be done.
We were burgled a couple of years back and they did indeed attend.
Much depends on the circumstances as to what they should do. If you dial 999 because the burglar is there now, you should get an immediate response with a car rushing to you with 'blues and twos' (lights and sirens). This is because there might be immediate danger to you and because there is a reasonable chance they might catch the burglar.
If, however, you come home to find your house has been burgled, they will ask you a bunch of questions, ask you not to touch certain things and then come to you as soon as they can.
There is enormous pressure on the services and the police themselves get frustrated that they can't always be as prompt as they'd like, but the should come out to you.
Where they prioritise you will depend on how much damage has been done, how vulnerable the victim is etc.
I used to work for the MPS in London. I now live in Warwickshire.
From what i have seen and experienced, the problems come from the top down ,there are a few bad policeman but there are a lot more frustrated ones who are stopped from doing there job. To much politics in the police force.
Damn You are right. I've botched this hugely. Still, the debate is more productive than I'd hoped so far.
I'll see if I can fix it.
Someone on your side of the fence gets it. Thank you Dawn.
Ultimately police with bad tendencies will only curb them if they believe they will get into trouble if they don’t. Does the average Sargent or inspector really know what his subordinates get upto on patrol? This is why mandatory body cams for all police is a good idea. Footage which complaints should have an automatic right to a copy of when they lodge a complaint. Because let’s be blunt, the cps doesn’t like to bring criminal prosicutions against the police unless beaten around the head with a preponderance of evidence that realistically complainants will have to collect themselves.
its been recommended to the government tons of times and yet still they drag their heals.
Can't find an up/down arrow on the starting post, sorry. I think the police do an excellent job under difficult conditions. In every organisation there will be bad apples, that can't be helped, but in my 60 years in this earth I've had a fair bit of interaction with the police, after burglaries, assaults, car accidents, and the like (never on the 'dodgy, ' end though, so can't comment on that), and I can't say enough good things about them. I know I wouldn't want to be in their shoes in this day and age, front facing the general public! I find that people, including the police, treat you well if you treat them well to start with. Go at them with an attitude and you're likely to get one back.....
Do the police still attend your property after a burglary where you are?
I'll have to sit on the fence, I'm afraid.
I'll confess, I'm an ex police trainer, specialising thing equality and diversity amongst other things. My colleagues and I fought the good fight...Shall I say I worked with some great coppers who were compassionate and wanted only to serve the community well, and then there were the others... enough said. Made the news enough of late with poor attitude toward race, eh? And to anyone who has had an adverse experience, I believe you.
All I can say is I know which ones I want to knock on my door if my house were robbed. What I'm saying is as individuals there are good coppers and bad coppers...
The real debate in my view is about police leadership. The tone of their officers' comportment is set at the top, as are the policies which govern police behaviour.
It is important, I think to do what you are doing, keep raising the concerns when things go wrong and get these issues to the leadership's ear.
No. They are nothing more than brutal and corrupt enforcers for the state They have been responsible for many of the most egregious abuses of civil liberties in modern history. And when it comes to actual crimes that effect the ordinary citizen, like burglary or theft, they are completely ineffectual and entirely dis-interested.
I Sperg ~ you will need to use the 'Insert' and 'Poll' option whilst your original post is still editable:
Being that currently people can only use the 'Like' tab for an up-vote ~ or the 'More' tab involving the 'Report as abusive' option for a down-vote, presently.
where do we vote ?