Autism is a real disability to some,,,,,,, are you such a person ?

Let's not forget that it wasn't too long ago that the accepted term for people with a disability was an 'invalid'. There are people who find being labelled as 'dis-abled' just as victimising as being labelled as 'in-valid'.

www.gov.uk/.../inclusive-language-words-to-use-and-avoid-when-writing-about-disability

Official NewSpeak - cannot call a spade a spade any more.    All about keeping the rules changing to trip people up and keep the woke mob in business.     The next stage is the Scottish-type hate-speech bill where anyone who says anything that can be perceived as slightly negative about anyone or anything is automatically a criminal and will be jailed when outed.

Peter said:

hmm ... replace all police men with cyborgs and robots? They don't have moral to loose lol

ED-209.       "You have 10 seconds to comply......"

My abuser guy died last year as it happened. I felt quite sorry for him in life because he had his social struggles. Ah well.

hmm ... replace all police men with cyborgs and robots? They don't have moral to loose lol

Peter said:

One of the most effective ways to stop violent crime is to make sure violent criminals get caught. Since generally its a small number of them doing it often.

Yeah - but if you talk to the police, they are totally demoralised knowing the courts will just let them go with, at most, a slap on the wrist - revolving door courts.

I wasn't arguing for acceptance. I'm talking about defence. Knowing where the nearest populated area is if you need to make a run for it and ask for help. Knowing where the vulnerable points on a body are if your back is against the wall and all you have to stab with is a pair of keys. Knowing to get the police to come out quickly and take the forensic evidence.

One of the most effective ways to stop violent crime is to make sure violent criminals get caught. Since generally its a small number of them doing it often.

Sorry, acceptance isn't the context I mean - more 'preparation'?      I can't think of the right way of saying it.

Self-defence training exists and I gather it's quite useful for people.

I didn't mention anything about 'abuse acceptance' (?) - maybe I've missed something from earlier context.

Peter said:

Maybe not but defence against 'crimes against the person', I mean any crime, mugging, being threatened by a belligerent drunk, etc, probably should be taught. The practical things one can do to fight back and to give the police the best chance to prosecute.

What?     just accept casual crime all around you?     Are you from California? 

I totally understand what you're saying - I'm very sorry it happened to you - but in a way it's like suggesting mugging acceptance training or making sure people are prepared to be murdered.    It's still a nasty crime perpetrated against you - and you shouldn't have to accept it.

Maybe not but defence against 'crimes against the person', I mean any crime, mugging, being threatened by a belligerent drunk, etc, probably should be taught. The practical things one can do to fight back and to give the police the best chance to prosecute.

Erm - ok. I feel like it probably would have helped me but I'm not going to push the point too hard.

I mean respectfully that's not realistic. Children need to learn biology. You can't really be suggesting that the mechanics, chemistry and biology of sexual reproduction be deferred until puberty.

To be honest the more you make sexuality and sex taboo the more you are likely to attract the interest of intellectually precocious prepubescent children. All curious young minds want to learn 'secret adult knowledge' until its actually explained to them matter of factly and it often becomes quite dull.

Abuse is a criminal act - you really should not *need* to be prepared for it - it's got nothing to do with sex education - it's a crime against you..

Consent education would have been very useful for me. I got abused at 18 and it totally took me by surprise. I wasn't prepared for that being a likelihood in my life.

I think it is. Children should know nothing about sex period until they start to become aware of it themselves in puberty and need to know about it when near consent age to protect them. 

I'm not saying anything about not teaching sex education - but you know very well - as a social worker - that forcing sexual thoughts onto very young children is classed as grooming.

Is that what you both approve of - as long as in a school environment?

Teaching children about different kinds of sexuality isn't sexualising them. It is acknowledging that there are more than just the typical male/female couple. 

Sex education for girls is generally pretty poor and narrow in focus so I'd have welcomed being taught ANYTHING extra really to basic biology and heterosexuality. I went to a Catholic school so protection wasn't even on the curriculum.

Do you have children, Plastic? 

Personal attacks at me?     Typical.    I'm so disappointed - it's such a low class attack -  but very, very typical.

Here, here, Hookaduck!

Sadly, so many heterosexuals have enjoyed so much legal and cultural privilege for so long that they actually feel completely justified in trying to pass their homophobia off  as  "common sense" or as simply trying to "protect children". 

I'm quite sure Mr Plastic has no objection to all children reading Janet & John books in which only heterosexual characters appear. But for goodness sake, can we stop these perverts from trying to advance their bisexual/homosexual agenda into our education system!

I've never said that any sexuality is wrong - I'm just saying that kids need to be kids - not some fetishised target for people wanting to sexualise them over the nursery rhymes to deliberately confuse them into making poor choices..  

I'm actually concerned that you don't seem to realise just how nasty the world really is and the true motivations for a lot of people in the pressure groups driving all this. 

I've never said that any sexuality is wrong - I'm just saying that kids need to be kids - not some fetishised target for people wanting to sexualise them over the nursery rhymes to deliberately confuse them into making poor choices..  

I'm actually concerned that you don't seem to realise just how nasty the world really is and the true motivations for a lot of people in the pressure groups driving all this. 

I'm sorry you had to go through that.

I went to private christian school where we got the video on girls & the boys got to watch both the girls/boys videos. WTF.

M said:

Have you never watched Carrie

Most young children barely understand 'friend' relationships so forcing every possible alternate sexual relationship permutation and combination down their throat at an early age is unnecessary.- and kinda creepy.       . 

Are you trolling me now? 

Sex education is imperative for children of pre-pubescent age so they understand what is going on with their own body. Have you never watched Carrie and seen how she reacted when she had her first period as a teenager because her mother sheltered her from it? Knowing what is right and wrong when it comes to sexual relationships and consent is so important to PREVENT grooming and sexual abuse. Sheltered children are often the TARGET of abuse because they don't know any better and when a predator behaves sexually towards them they don't know what to do. Unfortunately the world is a pretty horrible place and whilst it would be lovely to protect children entirely from reality for as long as possible, it really doesn't last long. 

My 7yr old asked me if I knew what monkey dust was the other day because she is interested in programmes about paramedics. I said yes and answered her question accurately but in a child-friendly way. My parenting is based on openness and honesty, and coincidentally my husband teaches 9 and 10 year olds so he is tasked every year with teaching sex education. It isn't about explicit pornographic sex, it is about healthy loving and respectful relationships. 

I was more thinking of this https://youtu.be/0UyC1X8bcpg

I like how the thread has nicely descended/ascended into Robocop territory

It's fine. I forgave in my heart a fair old time ago. I've made peace with that side of things.

I'm sorry to hear that.     It must leave a whole load of messed up thoughts about him that now can't be directly resolved.

Peter said:

hmm ... replace all police men with cyborgs and robots? They don't have moral to loose lol

ED-209.       "You have 10 seconds to comply......"

My abuser guy died last year as it happened. I felt quite sorry for him in life because he had his social struggles. Ah well.

hmm ... replace all police men with cyborgs and robots? They don't have moral to loose lol

Peter said:

One of the most effective ways to stop violent crime is to make sure violent criminals get caught. Since generally its a small number of them doing it often.

Yeah - but if you talk to the police, they are totally demoralised knowing the courts will just let them go with, at most, a slap on the wrist - revolving door courts.

I wasn't arguing for acceptance. I'm talking about defence. Knowing where the nearest populated area is if you need to make a run for it and ask for help. Knowing where the vulnerable points on a body are if your back is against the wall and all you have to stab with is a pair of keys. Knowing to get the police to come out quickly and take the forensic evidence.

One of the most effective ways to stop violent crime is to make sure violent criminals get caught. Since generally its a small number of them doing it often.

Sorry, acceptance isn't the context I mean - more 'preparation'?      I can't think of the right way of saying it.

Self-defence training exists and I gather it's quite useful for people.

I didn't mention anything about 'abuse acceptance' (?) - maybe I've missed something from earlier context.

Peter said:

Maybe not but defence against 'crimes against the person', I mean any crime, mugging, being threatened by a belligerent drunk, etc, probably should be taught. The practical things one can do to fight back and to give the police the best chance to prosecute.

What?     just accept casual crime all around you?     Are you from California? 

I totally understand what you're saying - I'm very sorry it happened to you - but in a way it's like suggesting mugging acceptance training or making sure people are prepared to be murdered.    It's still a nasty crime perpetrated against you - and you shouldn't have to accept it.

Maybe not but defence against 'crimes against the person', I mean any crime, mugging, being threatened by a belligerent drunk, etc, probably should be taught. The practical things one can do to fight back and to give the police the best chance to prosecute.

Erm - ok. I feel like it probably would have helped me but I'm not going to push the point too hard.

I mean respectfully that's not realistic. Children need to learn biology. You can't really be suggesting that the mechanics, chemistry and biology of sexual reproduction be deferred until puberty.

To be honest the more you make sexuality and sex taboo the more you are likely to attract the interest of intellectually precocious prepubescent children. All curious young minds want to learn 'secret adult knowledge' until its actually explained to them matter of factly and it often becomes quite dull.