Defending autistic adults rights to a social life with the law.

I’m sure you guys can relate to being fed up with life to the Nth degree. To some degree I want to vent but also I want to make a point hoping at least some people here will agree with me. But I need to start with some background about myself first.

I was diagnosed as an adult. Autism was something that only got picked up during my degree and didn’t get formally diagnosed till much later. Prior to that I’d been home schooled, getting my A levels in a community college. I won’t say autism hasn’t effected my career but it didn’t stop me achieving well academically and getting a job in my chosen career as a scientist.

The one area where autism effects me most in my life is my social life, at this stage it's almost laughable to call it a social life really. I’m actually pretty extroverted. I love spending time with interesting people talking about interesting things. Unfortunately that window of people on my wavelength is pretty narrow and getting less accessible as time goes on. My interests are generally juvenile and nerdy. Obscure video games and anime, weird science and … well things out of the ordinary.

I’m very widely read and my enthusiasm for what I find interesting can come off as arrogant (because I appear to be an authority on everything) or creepy (because I’m generally unable to tell when interest transitions into discomfort for the people I’m talking with unless they express it verbally). I don’t see the line between interesting and disturbing because, well for me it isn’t there to the same extent.

I’ve been banned twice from activity groups and once by a geek themed bar ostensibly for being a ‘weirdo’ and making people feel ‘uncomfortable.’ This is why I’m now taking legal action. I’m not going to elaborate on against who or the specifics of the situation. But I do want to talk about the protection the law affords autistic people and why no one ever seems to have fought for it before.

Because believe me I’ve been reading a lot of case law and I can’t find a case like mine anywhere. The equality act says discrimination arising from disability is illegal. You can not apply the same rule to everyone and say you are not discriminating if the rule penalises people for things that are caused by their disabilities. Not unless you can justify it as a proportionate means of meeting a legitimate aim.

So for example in a school you can’t expel an autistic student for being disruptive unless you can demonstrate you’ve really looked at every alternative.

In fact it's actually illegal to have rules that unfairly penalised the disabled. An example in employment would be the Bowerman v B&Q case where the tribunal ruled that defining ‘unintentional sexual harassment’ as ‘grose misconduct’ without a provision to take autism in to account was discrimination.

If you have an autistic person who is unintentionally causing upset, as far as I can understand the law, you can’t just ban them on the grounds that’s what you’d do to anyone else. You have to have a process to assess to what degree autism contributed to the issue and if the ban meets the legal tests for being a proportionate means of meeting a legitimate aim for which the supreme court has laid down a 4 part test.

  1. Is the objective sufficiently important.
  2. Is the measure rationally connected to the objective.
  3. Are the means chosen no more than is necessary to accomplish the objective.
  4. Are the disadvantages caused proportionate to the aims pursued.

This principle has been tested in education and in employment but the equality act says it also applies to goods and services. If you ban an autistic person from a venue, event or other activity offered as a service to the public the same principal should apply.

As an autistic person I rely on fairly neich special interest groups to help me make friends and connect with people on my wavelength. They are basically my social lifeline. I suspect many autistic adults who like me are more or less independent but fairly isolated are similarly reliant on activity groups like that.

So why is it that I’m the first, as far as I can tell, to take a stand on this issue?

Disclaimer: I’m not a lawyer, none of this is legal advice

Parents
  • please dont bankrupt yourself  ---- i am on your side,,,  it's just from my experience the law generally is an ass.  I could blow a load of money on this and not get anywhere.

    I think you are new here so welcome --  by all means vent  but please dont blow your hard earned dough on solictors.  

    Why not start your own meetup group put the money into that instead. Seek out people just like you. Start a quiz group and show them who really are the best.

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  • please dont bankrupt yourself  ---- i am on your side,,,  it's just from my experience the law generally is an ass.  I could blow a load of money on this and not get anywhere.

    I think you are new here so welcome --  by all means vent  but please dont blow your hard earned dough on solictors.  

    Why not start your own meetup group put the money into that instead. Seek out people just like you. Start a quiz group and show them who really are the best.

Children
  • Also it’s not like I didn’t look into setting up my own club but the costs would have run to several thousand pounds a year. Given renting even a small room for a night that comes equipped with a projector  and screen is generally 100£ plus and you’d be doing this hopefully at least 22 times a year. Even if I could get 10 people ... which I might struggle to do to start with, I doubt I could persuade them to part with 10£ a night.

    at uni while doing my phd I tried to start a weird science club. A Regular series of lectures members would take turns to give on real science that sounds more like science fiction. The student union was quite enthusiastic about the project. Gave me a free advert in the student paper. No one expressed any interest. In retrospect  Might have been my reference to wearing bras on your head being optional (a reference to the cult scifi film weird science)

  • I have looked into costs etc. Please be reassured I’m currently representing myself as a litigant in person. Doing all my own legal research / paper work etc.

    I‘m not going to go into the specific of the case but most disability discrimination cases are generally handled in small claims court where you don’t generally have to pay the other sides costs if you loose.

    also there is a small possibility that the equality and human rights commission getting involved if you get your case referred to them which if they do means they might fund a case if it gets to the fast or multi track. However EHRC is generally only interested in novel cases typically at appeal level or above. 
    anyway.

    As I said I have a fairly narrow window of interests. A few friends have tried taking me to other places. War gaming clubs, card game clubs, no offence to those who like it but I find  it terribly dull and never really connected with the people there. Too quiet, only really interested in talking about these elaborate fantasy worlds and the huge system of stats and rules involved. which is fine for them but the games and stories leave me kinda cold.

    quizes are only really fun for me if they are with people I already know and the quiz has a geeky bent.