Dichotomy of AS females talking to males

I am self-identified as likely being on the spectrum. Before I knew this I used to try to figure out why I sometimes really struggled with people of the opposite sex or got on really well with them.

Can any females relate to the fact that you might struggle with men in one situation as you are expected to be the more social ones and "lead" the conversation. Yet on the other hand get on really well in other situations with a different man/men because they are more direct in their communication and there aren't as many variances/subtleties as there are with females?

Can any women relate to what I'm saying or am I just talking nonense? 

Thanks

  • That doesn’t surprise me- a lot of intelligent people think we’re all there somewhere. I think most humans get on really well with people who are similar to them. Usually this starts from shared values whatever they may be.

    Some men and boys have been violent to me and women and girls have not. So that is the reason I have not got on with some men. Men have been a lot crueller generally. Women and girls have also been cruel and deceptive to me but not to the awful extent that men have.  I have also met some nice men who have been so helpful and also some nice women who have been helpful. But often their help is short lived and transitory in nature and then they abandon me.

    I think both men and women can be direct to the point of insensitivity at times. But I have not found that men were more direct in communication-in fact I have found them to be much more deceitful, secretive and competitive and also more often violent in comparison with women.

    When are women expected to be the more social ones? What does this mean?

  • Why would you be friends with people you don't want to be friends with?

    Well you would be surprised! Non autistic people do all sorts of strange things. They even ask people ‘how are you?’ while not wanting to know the actual answer! 
    Non autistic are very inclined towards ‘playing the games. Weirdly, they do very many things, just to fit in socially, bizarrely I wouldn’t be remotely surprised if they do actually pretend to be friends with someone that they don’t actually like if it suits their purpose, ie it makes them appear more ‘socially acceptable’ and friendly; it helps them get a promotion at work, it helps them to get ‘in’ with another person that they want to be friends with. 
    In my opinion, Autistic people are a lot less concerned about adhering to society’s rules and we much more likely to choose their friends based on whether or not they like spending time with them! 
    With regards work colleagues, I only work as and when as I do agency work but in my voluntary work in scouting, I would say that I tend to find male leaders slightly easier to get on with, usually.

  • What can you expect from an attack helicopter. 

  • Why would you be friends with people you don't want to be friends with?

    My brother is neurotypical and has a number of 'strategic' friendships as well as the more typical kind you describe i.e. he isn't just friends with people whose company he enjoys, he has also gone out of his way to make 'friends' with other people whom he believes will be of some tangible use to him either in the short, medium or long term. I think this behaviour is quite widespread among NTs, but it totally eludes us as auties.

    I understand about the communication thing. I think, as a woman, I generally find that men say what they mean and mean what they say, whereas women's conversations are replete with hidden meaning, subtle social and emotional body language which I miss completely, and they spend at least half their time trying to catch you out or get something out of you that they can use against you later. Men are generally more focused on the task at hand. I'm massively generalising, I know, but as a rule of thumb, I find it easier to communicate with men.

  • I agree with some of your points but the last one about autistic people being friends with who they want to be friends with, well isn't that what everybody does? Why would you be friends with people you don't want to be friends with?

    I think my post isn't just about friendship but communication in general i.e. colleagues, family members.

  • I can't tell if you're helping or having a pop

  • I don't think. I AM. I don't need confirmation. Check your privilege.

  • What makes you think youre an attack helicopter? 

  • I am self-identified as likely being on the spectrum.

    I self-identify as an attack helicopter.

  • I do think firstly, that regardless of gender, some people are just easier to get along with than others. I have some female friends that I find really easy to talk with and I have some male friends that I find really easy to talk with. I think overall I do tend to find it easier to be open with a male friend as opposed to a female friend but again it depends on the person. Is it perhaps more the case that autistic people are more inclined to be friends with who they want to be friends with as opposed to who other people and society think that we ‘should’ be friends with?

  • Some of the AS girls I know say boys are easier to deal with - there's less politics involved.    As men get older, the users perfect their skills so they can fool women into thinking they are nice blokes - when really they are just a-holes.

    From their 30s onwards, single men are like public toilets - vacant, engaged or full of sh**.

  • I don't know if I'm referring to alpha,  beta or omega males really although I can understand where you're coming from. Interestingly, one male I got on with particularly well with at work a number of years ago was very typically alpha.  Because he was so forward I got on with him well as I didn't have to do any of the work. There was a lot of banter and I think he might have found me a bit mysterious!

    I think basically if the man is expecting me to do the work or at least initiate it, that's when I struggle because I don't have any given cues.

  • I can definitely relate, and no, you are not talking nonsense.

    I think Alpha Males expect you to be flirty and girly, to fawn at their manliness and achievements whilst they impress you with their popularity and big ego. Beta Males are more eager to please and follow your lead, and Omega Males are basically on the spectrum or at least have some spectrum-type traits.

    Betas and Omegas are much easier to get on with. Alphas make no sense to us because, to them, social status is everything.