germs - advice and support

Hi all 

I have a 11 year old autistic daughter. She has been amazing in everything , happy and managed well in school and life in generally. Within the last month she has started to become very obsessed with at first food allergies  she has peanut and sesame allergy so this is understandable. But now this seems to have switched to germs and not being clean. She is refusing to touch things, open doors. Instead she is always wanting to wash her hands, crying that she is not clean.

She is transitioning from primary to high school and I understand that there is lots of change in her life. She seems to have coped well at the high school days. But the leavers assembly of primary has just made this germ / cleaning fear off the scale. It feels like its gone for 10 -100 overnight. Hysterically crying, fear of germs going to kill her and us .

She had a school residential and I feel that was the catalyst for this reaction.

Its heart breaking, she has gone from a happy caring girl to sad and isolating herself who cannot be consoled 

Really I am look for anyone who has any experience with this , and how they managed. She isn't open to talk about it or rational advice. I really don't want to stress her more with the wrong approaches, It feels I am getting it wrong. 

Thank you in advance , any suggestions welcome

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  • Perhaps explaining the science might help? There are more bacteria in her body than she has body cells, and many of them are beneficial. Also, seeing that she has allergies it may be useful to explain that a human being has an immune system to tackle 'germs' - I hate that word, bacteria, viruses and fungi (like thrush) are better terms. If the immune system is not challenged by contact with a variety of micro-organisms it becomes both less able to deal with the actual pathogenic ones and more liable to target things that are not microbes, like peanut proteins, giving rise to allergies.

    Being 'too clean' is in fact a health problem.

  • I'm with Martin. Autistics can often be overwhelmed by not having enough knowledge on a matter. First, there is the communication difference. So, we may have understood just enough for things to be deadly, but not enough to understand HOW to function, how the thing works and how to find the cure. Sometimes this can align with things we don't even realise we're interested in. 

    When I was young, I was deeply troubled over matters of infinite space-time. It was beyond frightening. As I've gotten older, I've found myself buying books on these subjects because it does strike something in me it's just when too young to understand these concepts, they are incredibly overwhelming. I've found most of my youthful fears to be things I simply had a great deal of Awe/Respect for, but prior to the fundamental groundwork to be able to engage with these concepts properly, I was misunderstanding my own emotional state with them.

    Gut-health which is related to our immune system, is an exploding topic right now. And it's terribly interesting! once she can understand a microcosm of organisms who are working with her biology in many ways, it might change her state to one of feeling more in control of her being and grounding within the microscopic world around :) 

  • Our immune system evolved to cope with grubbing around for roots and tubers, eating fruits and seeds directly from the wild and eating rather dubious meat that spoilt quickly. Additionally our ancestors had a heavy internal parasite load of worms (tapeworms roundworms and flukes) and protozoa (Giardia, Entamoeba etc). Giving it very little to do, in our sanitised urban life, is the cause of the rise of allergies, especially food allergies.

  • There's more to food allergies than this. But yes, we need to be in the dirt more. However, findings include certain genetics lacking an enzyme to properly break a certain food type down. The immune system is connected to gut-health. And while I'm still exploring what I can, I'm beginning to wonder if forcing children to eat brassicas (broccoli) before their immune system needs the extra sulphur is actually contributing to something like aggressively building the secondary immune system too soon, and playing a role in this. 

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  • There's more to food allergies than this. But yes, we need to be in the dirt more. However, findings include certain genetics lacking an enzyme to properly break a certain food type down. The immune system is connected to gut-health. And while I'm still exploring what I can, I'm beginning to wonder if forcing children to eat brassicas (broccoli) before their immune system needs the extra sulphur is actually contributing to something like aggressively building the secondary immune system too soon, and playing a role in this. 

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